UMelb UMelb Medicine: Provisional Entry Questions and Discussion

[dotwingz]

1. Not that i’m aware, either way you could have UniMelb as your first preference on VTAC in the first round post ATAR and then swap it out to Monash because they do different rounds

2. All 99.90+ (and pass interviews) at UniMelb = CSP, All 99.00+ that pass interviews = FFP, all LaTrobe students = BMP

 

[CWR]

Thank you so much dotwingz i really appreciate the information. Sorry I am not really familiar with the Victorian system since I am live interstate, but what do you mean by Monash and Melbourne University “do different round”?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Thank you so much dotwingz i really appreciate the information. Sorry I am not really familiar with the Victorian system since I am live interstate, but what do you mean by Monash and Melbourne University “do different round”?

They send out their offers via VTAC in different offer rounds on different dates.

 

[CWR]

I see… Thank you so much. But if in my mind my first preference is Monash over Uni of Melb (hence i would logically put Monash med as a higher preference than Chancellor’s scholarship), but realistically I have much higher chance for Melb (as I only have a mediocre ucat but so far a high ATAR prediction) and the two University offer different round, does that mean I will have to wait until Monash have officially reject my application in order to accept Melb Uni’s offer (if I have successfully gained an ATAR 99.90 or above)? Thanks

 

[dotwingz]

Nonono what we’re saying is, if they did have the requirement to be 1st on your prefs, if you had it like this

Round A (post ATAR - not sure the exact dates)
1. UniMelb BSci
2. Monash CSP (not yet eligible)
3. Monash BMP (not yet eligible)

And accept your BSci offer (or whatever you choose)

Round B (Post monash interviews)
1. Monash CSP
2. Monash BMP

You would satisfy the condition of having the offer in first preference on the round which you got an offer, but you would still have monash in 1st preference to whenever they make their rounds.

I’m pretty sure you don’t need to have it 1st pref, that’s only for USyd I believe. You could do it to be safe if you want

 

[CWR]

Nonono what we’re saying is, if they did have the requirement to be 1st on your prefs, if you had it like this

Round A (post ATAR - not sure the exact dates)
1. UniMelb BSci
2. Monash CSP (not yet eligible)
3. Monash BMP (not yet eligible)

And accept your BSci offer (or whatever you choose)

Round B (Post monash interviews)
1. Monash CSP
2. Monash BMP

You would satisfy the condition of having the offer in first preference on the round which you got an offer, but you would still have monash in 1st preference to whenever they make their rounds.

I’m pretty sure you don’t need to have it 1st pref, that’s only for USyd I believe. You could do it to be safe if you want

I see Im asking this because my school just had a new dean of study… and she told me for Melb’s chancellor’s scholarship I will need to put it as one of my first two preference (though I cant find any information about this requirement anywhere), hence i was thinking of
1. Monash CSP
2. Melb
3. Monash ERC
….
But now that you guys have mentioned Monash and Melb Uni do offers at different rounds, I am just curious if i do put up my preference the way i initially planned (shown above), does that mean to be accepted into Melb uni i will have to wait until I have been officially rejected by Monash?
sorry i had so many questions but having a new dean of study with not that much prior experience makes me doubt if the information he said really is reliable

 

[dotwingz]

No worries, in that example in the first round post atars you won’t be eligible for a monash offer because they haven’t completed interviews yet so you will get UniMelb

If the dean is right and to have to put UniMelb in first preference to get the chancellors scholarship, then because it was your second you wouldn’t get it

If the deans right, you would be best putting UniMelb in the 1st preference in the round that Monash wouldn’t make an offer to you anyways because they haven’t completed their interviews, accept that offer, and then remove it from your preferences and wait for the round where monash would give you an offer, therefore you keep both offers; A UniMelb (VTAC 1st preference in the 1st round), and a Monash (VTAC 1st preference in 2nd round)

 

[CWR]

Okay I understand it now. But doesnt by accepting the offer from Melb University in the first round automatically mean that you have gotten a place at a degree, thus, you can no longer be considered for other preference (even if they are in different rounds)? Please correct me if I am wrong

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Okay I understand it now. But doesnt by accepting the offer from Melb University in the first round automatically mean that you have gotten a place at a degree, thus, you can no longer be considered for other preference (even if they are in different rounds)? Please correct me if I am wrong

I believe this might be the case for TISC (or has been previously). It definitely isn’t the case for UAC. And I’m pretty sure it’s not the case for VTAC. And my understanding is that getting a place in your lower preference should never rule you out of higher preference offers in subsequent rounds.

 

[CWR]

I believe this might be the case for TISC (or has been previously). It definitely isn’t the case for UAC. And I’m pretty sure it’s not the case for VTAC. And my understanding is that getting a place in your lower preference should never rule you out of higher preference offers in subsequent rounds.

Is the vice versa also true then? (Does getting a place in higher preference mean u will no longer be eligible for being considered in the lower preferences?
for example if i put melb uni as the first preference and i got accepted into the program, would i still be able to be considered for Monash later on which was listed as my second preference?)

 

[dotwingz]

You only get one offer a round, which is the highest possible one. If you have monash below melbourne you will not get a monash offer if you get a melbourne one

If you move melbourne off your preferences, you will eligible to get a monash one

 

[CWR]

I see. So two different rounds mean I can get an offer from University of Melbourne in the first one (provided I got 99.90 or above atar) (and I can accept it) and for the second round I can remove Melbourne University from my preference because I would have already gotten a place at Melb Uni, and if I got accepted into Monash in the second round, I can just choose whichever degree I prefer in my mind? Thank you guys so so much!

 

[dotwingz]

Yup, exactly right!

Just remember to remove it after the first round aha

 

[CWR]

Thank you guys so so so much you guys really helped me to understand how this very confusing system (at least to me) work hahah

 

[LeSpicyGinger]

It's anecdotal evidence, but when I was doing my VTAC application last year I had Monash first but I believe I received a Chancellor's Scholarship email offer anyway with the degree I had chosen.

They were pretty desperate seeming too as they also called me about it

 

[A1]

So two different rounds mean I can get an offer from University of Melbourne in the first one (provided I got 99.90 or above atar) (and I can accept it) and for the second round I can remove Melbourne University from my preference because I would have already gotten a place at Melb Uni

General advice is you accept/enrol in the UMelb course to lock it in, then move it to bottom pref rather than remove from the list. I have seen advice from a TAC (can't remember which) not to remove, plus you don't need a vacated slot to add something else in, so safer to move it to bottom.

As LMG! mentioned, TISC WA and QTAC don't allow us to hold two offers even after different rounds. With TISC a 2nd offer automatically forfeits the 1st offer (so that TISC can readily allocate it to another applicant). With QTAC, if you accept 1st offer unconditionally you sit out the 2nd round. You have to accept 1st offer conditionally to be eligible for 2nd round, that condition likely means 2nd will forfeit 1st.

when I was doing my VTAC application last year I had Monash first but I believe I received a Chancellor's Scholarship email offer anyway

Yes some unis send offers directly without going through the TAC's preferencing. You've mentioned UMelb, JCU is another one. We've seen on MSO a student received in the same round UQ 1st pref via QTAC + JCU lower pref direct from JCU. Not how it's supposed to work but it does these unis no harm so they don't really care haha.

 

[denosawr]

Hi - I was just wondering, would you recommend the BSc or Bbiomed if I'm planning on entering through a guaranteed pathway? I'm interested in majoring in Physics (or something like that) - is it recommended to go BSc and just take the prereqs? Or am I going to be unprepared for postgrad work if I do that?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hi - I was just wondering, would you recommend the BSc or Bbiomed if I'm planning on entering through a guaranteed pathway? I'm interested in majoring in Physics (or something like that) - is it recommended to go BSc and just take the prereqs? Or am I going to be unprepared for postgrad work if I do that?

You can enter the graduate entry pathway from a variety of backgrounds, including NSB, as long as you have the pre-reqs, so a BSci absolutely won't leave you unprepared. If it allows you to do the undergrad that you're most interested in, then that's the pathway for you.

 

[denosawr]

You can enter the graduate entry pathway from a variety of backgrounds, including NSB, as long as you have the pre-reqs, so a BSci absolutely won't leave you unprepared. If it allows you to do the undergrad that you're most interested in, then that's the pathway for you.

Thanks LMG for the prompt response - that's awesome to hear! Do you know where one could find the pre-reqs? I haven't been able to find it on the UMelb website... I want to specialise in my major which won't leave me much room for electives, so it'll be important to know how many courses I'll have to work my degree around

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Thanks LMG for the prompt response - that's awesome to hear! Do you know where one could find the pre-reqs? I haven't been able to find it on the UMelb website... I want to specialise in my major which won't leave me much room for electives, so it'll be important to know how many courses I'll have to work my degree around

If you can't find them, it's entirely possible they have been removed. I know there was talk about this previously.