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UNSW UNSW Medicine: General Entry Questions and Discussion

Great so you recommend option 1 with medsci then?
Also, with my current ATAR, would it be plausible that I gain entry given a significant improvement in UCAT + good grades?
The chances of that working out are incredibly slim.... basically nobody makes it in through that pathway and note it’s *up to* 10 places rather than 10 places - meaning they could give out 0 places to those applicants if they wanted. A significant improvement in UCAT is unlikely; it’s an aptitude test and past performance is the most reliable predictor of future performance. If you’ve read pitfall #2 in Mana’s thread and still are considering studying medical science, then I don’t think I have much to add, sorry.
 
The chances of that working out are incredibly slim.... basically nobody makes it in through that pathway and note it’s *up to* 10 places rather than 10 places - meaning they could give out 0 places to those applicants if they wanted. A significant improvement in UCAT is unlikely; it’s an aptitude test and past performance is the most reliable predictor of future performance. If you’ve read pitfall #2 in Mana’s thread and still are considering studying medical science, then I don’t think I have much to add, sorry.
jokes sorry what I meant was option 3 with medsci. (3. Complete one year of whatever course (medsci recommended) and then use the GPA + ATAR + new UCAT to gain entry again competing with that year's graduates. UNSW says this makes you compete with that year's year 12 graduates, as in more than 10 people are taken in.
 
Hey guys,
I was just on the phone with a UNSW staff and they told me that EAS people are not in a separate pool for selection.

That's what we believe as well, EAS students are *not* in a separate pool at Unsw. However Unsw does say they reserve a number of places for EAS which means it's like a sub-quota of the main pool. How a sub-quota works is, say they reserve 10 places for EAS, when it comes to say the last 6 places to be offered and they still need 6 EAS (to make up the 10) then non-EAS will be cut out at that point even if they are higher than the next EAS students.
 
How would you describe the teaching style at UNSW medicine, because I know it’s not PBL, is it just an integrated course? I can’t seem to find the information on their website despite having looked at it a couple of days ago.
 
How would you describe the teaching style at UNSW medicine, because I know it’s not PBL, is it just an integrated course? I can’t seem to find the information on their website despite having looked at it a couple of days ago.
Hi, there.

Essentially UNSW's version of 'PBL' (which is very different to PBLs at other universities from what I've heard) is known as scenario groups (or SGs for short). In Phase 1 (i.e. the first two years) we have four courses a year which focus on different systems of the body. Now each of those courses can have 3-4 scenarios within them. For example, in the heart course, one scenario might involve an individual having a heart attack. Now, you then have lectures that can expand your knowledge around that scenario through lectures e.g. how the heart works, the anatomy of it etc.. Scenario groups consist of around 11-14 people and exist to allow you to delve further into the scenario via various means. These can include discussing various aspects of the scenario, presentations, going through cases etc. I feel it's different to PBL in that it's quite guided which is great (but it also does give a lot of opportunity for self learning too :) ).

Hope that answers your question? If you have any more queries or confusions, feel free to reply and I will try address it. :)

Here's a good link on the website BTW: Styles of Learning and Teaching | Medicine Program
 
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Helloo I just joined and went through the common pitfalls ist (which was super great btw) and saw that a path I wanna try get in with mentioned above by lheh1167
'3. Complete one year of whatever course (medsci not recommended) and then use the GPA + ATAR + new UCAT to gain entry again competing with that year's graduates'
I'm planning to do pharamcy at USYD for one year while studying for UCAT again and then use my GPA ATAR and UCAT to get in. I have an atar of 99.75. I also called UNSW and they said this was one of the two options and that . would mean I'd compete with that year's new graduates. How does this sound? (pharmacy is my backup in case it doesn't work out)
 
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Helloo I just joined and went through the common pitfalls ist (which was super great btw) and saw that a path I wanna try get in with mentioned above by lheh1167
'3. Complete one year of whatever course (medsci recommended) and then use the GPA + ATAR + new UCAT to gain entry again competing with that year's graduates'
I'm planning to do pharamcy at USYD for one year while studying for UCAT again and then use my GPA ATAR and UCAT to get in. I have an atar of 99.75. I also called UNSW and they said this was one of the two options and that . would mean I'd compete with that year's new graduates. How does this sound? (pharmacy is my backup in case it doesn't work out)
sounds like a solid plan to me :)
 
How would you describe the teaching style at UNSW medicine, because I know it’s not PBL, is it just an integrated course? I can’t seem to find the information on their website despite having looked at it a couple of days ago.

Here’s some extra info from a UNSW student (not me) on the first 8 weeks at UNSW that you may find useful.


“Subject Code/Name: MFAC1501: Foundations

Workload: per week: 10 x 1hr lectures (varies by week but usually a 9-11 lecture on most days) + + 2 x 2hr SG (Scenario Group--> I'll expand on what you do in this this further down)

Assessment: Three assessments (1X Group and 1X Individuals) with weighting of 0%. I.E. you ARE able to fail this (although try not to because you have to justify this later in your portfolio. However, nothing in this course contribute to your WAM. 1x End of Course Exam: 100% (Just a pass/fail exam)

Recorded Lectures: Yes, found on ECHO360 with the ability to ask questions etc. from home (Although not all lectures will read them). UNSW medicine has really developed this well particularly due to the fact that there is also now a Port Macquarie campus who watch the lectures live from their campus and so often you'll see lecturers ensuring that all information is able to be seen for those not watching in the lecture hall.

Past exams available: Yes, numerous past paper resources are available. Ask your mentors in the first week on how you can get them! They are really useful for practice. (For reasons you will see when you do your end of course :p ) Trust me do all of them.

Textbook Recommendation:
- For this course, honestly you don't really need textbooks. The lecture notes are quite sufficient in order to cover you in the test (at least for foundations). I would recommend you buying textbooks if you're struggling with a particular series (e.g. biochem) then you can buy a textbook for that but for now I'd just hold off buying. (You can also get some decent online versions of PDF's by using the online library. Pretty much all of the questions in the EOC came from lecture slide info.

Lecturer(s): There's really a lot of lecturers depending on the subject but they mostly stay the same within the particular course.

Year & Semester of completion: Semester 1, 2018

Comments:
I'll be honest starting off here, starting off in medicine is a lot more work than I (and more people) thought. Sometimes "I'd have more questions than I have answers"and this can be overwhelming for a lot of people (including myself). Going from high school where we you get complimented every 5 minutes, to being with a bunch of people either just as good or better than yourself can be intimidating but it's important to remember that you got a place in UNSW medicine! And that means you DESERVE to be here, so don't be afraid of "not being smart" or so. Anyway, on to the course content.

UNSW Medicine is basically set on the pillars of eight graduate capabilities (basically traits that the faculty want to develop and instil in to yourself over the next 6 years in order to become competent clinicians. A lot of your work in this course will be reflective of that (particularly assessments). These qualities are:
- Basic and Clinical Sciences
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- Reflective Practitioner
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Structure of Classes:
Scenario Groups: This is probably a very new concept to many of you and so I'll begin with this. Scenario groups basically involve you being put in to a class with another 11 people (plus a facilitator) and being guided through activities in order to . Hones My special advice to make this more fun is to set up a food roster! That way you can study and eat during the 2 hours.

Assessments:
There are three assessments that you'll face throughout your Foundations course. There are four grades that you can receive for an assessment. P+ (high distinction/distinction), P (Credit) , P- (Barely passed) and F (Fail). All of your assessments (other than the End of Course) will have two focus capabilities that the assessment is focussed on. For example, this might be Basic and Clinical Sciences and Reflective Practitioner. These and a few other of the graduate capabilities will be given one of the four grades based on what the marker thinks you have done to satisfy each criteria in the assessment. By the end of 2 years, you should be aiming to have at least a pass in all the graduate capabilities.

1) Individual Assignment: This usually varies throughout the years but it's often regarding the Medical Hero, where you're given a list of those who have made a significant contribution to
2) Group Assignment: Now I know what you're thinking, group assignments are definitely not everyones favourite thing to do, but you should at least know how to work in one well because you're going to be doing that as a doctor

Advice:
- Get your vaccinations, police checks etc done WHEN you get given the interview even if you don't know you're getting an offer yet. Quite a large number of people didn't do this and it was very stressful for them because = they ended up being non-compliant and only became so a few days before our first hospital placement. Be organised!
- If you're not sure about a particular concept or have questions that you didn't get to ask during the lecture due to time constraints, feel free to email the lecturers. They are always more than happy to help you out and guide you on the right path.
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FAQ:
Will I need clinical equipment?
No, you're not required to own anything for the time being. Although most do buy their own stethoscopes, you don't really do anything with them in this course so it's fine if you don't own one for now. (But this is the best thing to have if you want to tell everyone you're doing med :p )
Can I still work a part time job?
I know quite a number of people who managed to juggle a part time job while studying at UNSW med so it's no problem. Just know that if you plan on attending lectures you won't be able to work from 9-11 most days (and a lot of the days lectures have
What's the best way to study?
There isn't really one best way to study for the exams. I'd say it's a good idea to find which way works best for you (particularly since you don't need absolutely amazing marks in Foundations since it's giving you a bit of a trial and doesn't contribute towards your WAM).
What if I didn't do as well in an assessment as I planned to?
Honestly, the Foundations course doesn't count for anything. It gives you an opportunity to see how you study and learn best and really just introduce you to studying medicine. I know a number of older students who failed the assessments (not the EOC--> you can NOT fail this).”
 
jokes sorry what I meant was option 3 with medsci. (3. Complete one year of whatever course (medsci recommended) and then use the GPA + ATAR + new UCAT to gain entry again competing with that year's graduates. UNSW says this makes you compete with that year's year 12 graduates, as in more than 10 people are taken in.

Uh, no, nowhere in the advice is med sci recommended. I don't recommend this at all; I recommend against it. If you're going to do one year of whatever course to progress your plan B career and apply again with the GPA, then sure, as long as that course isn't Med Sci, because that isn't going to progress your plan B career at all.
 
for UNSW offers, are all the NSW places given out in the Jan first round or is it just the CSP places? I'm a little bit confused how many places are exactly given. So 135 places includes interstate as well?
 
for UNSW offers, are all the NSW places given out in the Jan first round or is it just the CSP places? I'm a little bit confused how many places are exactly given. So 135 places includes interstate as well?

The gov gives UNSW a quota of around 190 places, split into roughly 135 non-rural, 50 rural plus a few for ATSI. Since all have been interviewed except for non-rural interstate (and assuming UNSW sets aside say 30 places for these) I estimate UNSW will release around 150-160 offers on 10th Jan to local and rural applicants.
 
Hi, would anyone be able to estimate the chances of me being offered a place at Port Macquarie? I realised that I put both preferences down when doing the application, and I was suddenly struck by a realisation that I would HATE to go there (no offence if it's anyones first preference!). I can't change my preferences on the application, and the Med office at UNSW is closed until Monday. I'm trying to figure out if it's worth making it my second preference and JMP as my first, just to avoid the possibility of having to move to Port Macquarie. Thanks!
 
Hi, would anyone be able to estimate the chances of me being offered a place at Port Macquarie? I realised that I put both preferences down when doing the application, and I was suddenly struck by a realisation that I would HATE to go there (no offence if it's anyones first preference!). I can't change my preferences on the application, and the Med office at UNSW is closed until Monday. I'm trying to figure out if it's worth making it my second preference and JMP as my first, just to avoid the possibility of having to move to Port Macquarie. Thanks!
Hi, perhaps A1 can think of some math-involving way to express your chances but it seems quite complicated to me with more than a few variables. I personally don't think anyone would be able to give you an estimate of being offered a Port Macquarie place. Rather, as you're a non-rural applicant, I would just presume that the lower your scores are, the more likely you are of being offered a place of PMQ. You're welcome to call the medicine office to change your preference for PMQ though I am somewhat doubtful that they would be willing to do that. Definitely call in though and see what they might say (and if you can let us know! :) ).

Out of curiosity, would you be applying for UNE for the JMP as well? And if so and if it's not too personal, do you have a specific reason for not wanting PMQ? I'm at the Kensington campus but know a little bit about the PMQ campus so potentially might be able to answer any questions you have. Hope that helps a little bit! :)
 
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Hi, would anyone be able to estimate the chances of me being offered a place at Port Macquarie? I realised that I put both preferences down when doing the application, and I was suddenly struck by a realisation that I would HATE to go there (no offence if it's anyones first preference!). I can't change my preferences on the application, and the Med office at UNSW is closed until Monday. I'm trying to figure out if it's worth making it my second preference and JMP as my first, just to avoid the possibility of having to move to Port Macquarie. Thanks!
Yeh, I'm in a similar position where I'd definitely prefer WSU/JMP over Port Macquarie, but I still selected "both but Kensington preferred" because I'd take a Port Macquarie over nothing at all. I'd imagine that most other (non-rural) people also would've put down "both but Kensington preferred" rather than Kensington only, though I don't really know many others that applied this year.
Did most people that you know also put down both or did they opt for just Kensington?
 
Hi, perhaps A1 can think of some math-involving way to express your chances but it seems quite complicated to me with more than a few variables. I personally don't think anyone would be able to give you an estimate of being offered a Port Macquarie place. Rather, as you're a non-rural applicant, I would just presume that the lower your scores are, the more likely you are of being offered a place of PMQ. You're welcome to call the medicine office to change your preference for PMQ though I am somewhat doubtful that they would be willing to do that. Definitely call in though and see what they might say (and if you can let us know! :) ).

Out of curiosity, would you be applying for UNE for the JMP as well? And if so and if it's not too personal, do you have a specific reason for not wanting PMQ? I'm at the Kensington campus but know a little bit about the PMQ campus so potentially might be able to answer any questions you have. Hope that helps a little bit! :)

Yeah, I'll give them a call on Monday and see what they say, but I'm doubting it as on the application it says that you can't change the preferences under any circumstances.

Yes, I'm applying for UNE and would much prefer it over PMQ. I suppose that it's superficial in the long run (as any med offer is better than none) but I would much prefer going to a bigger university as there're more social opportunities and a more diverse array of people (and UNE is MUCH bigger than PMQ). Also, I'm not keen on the idea that lessons at PMQ are live streamed from Kensington, and would much rather actual teachers. 5/6 years is a long time to be spending at a place so far from home (both are around 6 hours from home) and I would rather not only have 180 people studying at a campus!

I actually have a question about UNSW. I'm worried that the cohort is really competitive, as it's not pass/fail like JMP, and that people are "greedy" about notes and won't want to work together. Have you found this the case?

Thanks so much!
 
Yeh, I'm in a similar position where I'd definitely prefer WSU/JMP over Port Macquarie, but I still selected "both but Kensington preferred" because I'd take a Port Macquarie over nothing at all. I'd imagine that most other (non-rural) people also would've put down "both but Kensington preferred" rather than Kensington only, though I don't really know many others that applied this year.
Did most people that you know also put down both or did they opt for just Kensington?

Yeah it really sucks as UNSW Kensington is ultimately my first choice and my first preference on UAC, but I really don't want to "accidentally" get PMQ and lose out on a potential offer at JMP.

One girl I know (not in the running for UNSW due to low UCAT) put "both but Kensington preferred". Unfortunately not sure about any others, as people from my school generally go into arts rather than med/science degrees. I'm assuming that most people would put "both but Kensington preferred" down, but there's still a chance that I scored poorly but well enough to get PMQ. I think my worst nightmare would be to get a BMP at PMQ!
 
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Yeh, I'm in a similar position where I'd definitely prefer WSU/JMP over Port Macquarie, but I still selected "both but Kensington preferred" because I'd take a Port Macquarie over nothing at all. I'd imagine that most other (non-rural) people also would've put down "both but Kensington preferred" rather than Kensington only, though I don't really know many others that applied this year.
Did most people that you know also put down both or did they opt for just Kensington?
I'm not kpsmms, but anecdotally from talking to people in my cohort, I've heard that most people picked 'both but Kensington preferred' with the same mentality as you (i.e. any offer is better than none).

Yeah, I'll give them a call on Monday and see what they say, but I'm doubting it as on the application it says that you can't change the preferences under any circumstances.

Yes, I'm applying for UNE and would much prefer it over PMQ. I suppose that it's superficial in the long run (as any med offer is better than none) but I would much prefer going to a bigger university as there're more social opportunities and a more diverse array of people (and UNE is MUCH bigger than PMQ). Also, I'm not keen on the idea that lessons at PMQ are live streamed from Kensington, and would much rather actual teachers. 5/6 years is a long time to be spending at a place so far from home (both are around 6 hours from home) and I would rather not only have 180 people studying at a campus!

I actually have a question about UNSW. I'm worried that the cohort is really competitive, as it's not pass/fail like JMP, and that people are "greedy" about notes and won't want to work together. Have you found this the case?

Thanks so much!
Ah I see, that's fair enough. I do know the PMQ people do have events but I agree that it wouldn't be as large/frequent etc. as UNE.

On a positive note, they changed the clinical allocation policy this year so there's been some people from PMQ going to Sydney hospitals (as PMQ only have 12 students in third year and there's like 20 something people there). So if you are stuck with PMQ, that is a little bit of consolation, though keep in mind that they change the clinical allocation policy every year and previous years meant you were stuck rurally for 6 years. So the worst case scenario is that you're stuck there for 6 years, best you can just go to Sydney and are only at PMQ for 2 (note that hospitals get allocated again for 5th year, so you may potentially get shafted rurally, though as a non-rural, I don't think you're more likely that those who started at Kensington to get shafted). Though if you accept an offer there, you should be going in knowing that the worst case is a possibility. Hopefully that made some sense haha.

On to the competitive note, UNSW isn't pass/fail however I've found that everyone in the cohort is very helpful and always wanting to help other students. This ranges from students posting their notes before exams (We also have online access to notes made by students in previous years which is what I and a large portion of peers have used). So definitely not a negative environment at all.

Additionally, you may know that in previous students, 20 students got to complete honours at UNSW medicine. That has been changed to anyone with a WAM above 65, so no doubt that's going to ensure students aren't worried about helping each other out (not that they were unhelpful at all before! :p). In summary, I personally have never felt that anyone has been 'greedy' or unhelpful in my studies and have met the complete opposite :) Hope that helps!
 
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Yeah it really sucks as UNSW Kensington is ultimately my first choice and my first preference on UAC, but I really don't want to "accidentally" get PMQ and lose out on a potential offer at JMP.

It's a difficult situation UAC & UNSW have put you guys in, not giving a separate pref entry for PMQ so you can put PMQ below JMP/WSU. Much like they don't give separate entries for unbonded vs bonded to allow choosing UNSW unbonded > JMP/WSU unbonded > UNSW bonded for example.

At this stage one thing I can suggest is to call UAC 2-3 days before the 10-Jan offer date. By then UAC should have in hand the schools' ranked offer lists to work on allocations. Carefully explain the difficult prefs situation to them for their understanding first, then ask if you qualify for multiple offers let you choose between them (instead of sticking to their faulty prefs system).
 
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