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'What papers should I do at UoO for graduate entry' Chat, Enquiries and Help

What other 200 and 300 level papers are easy to get A+ in? and does non- science related papers count towards final GPA calculation?
Consider MAOR203, a 200 level pacific studies paper or maybe CLTE203 (Clothing and textiles). For 300 level the easiest I know of is ANAT332, and the easiest PHSL paper is PHSL345. What papers are you considering? I highly recommend FORB201 in SS (attended about 4 lectures and scored 95% overall, plus I don't know anyone who didn't get A+). Also HUNT233 in SS is good - a friend of mine got A+ in both papers during SS at the start of this year. If you do those 2, you'll only need 5 throughout S1 and 2
 
What are the assignments like for BIOA 201, FORB 201 and HUNT 233? (e.g. lab reports, reviews, editorials or journal article e.t.c)

I am thinking of taking the following:

For SS possibly:
BIOA201

S1:
PHSL 345
ANAT 331
(200 level, can be changed): maybe MICR 221

S2:
PATH 301
PHSL 343
(200, level can be changed): maybe MICR 222

I am assuming that you only need to take 6 papers (108 credits in total) and also 4x 300 level papers are sufficient to get biomed degree in 3rd year

do you recommend taking more than 6 papers?
 
Consider MAOR203, a 200 level pacific studies paper or maybe CLTE203 (Clothing and textiles). For 300 level the easiest I know of is ANAT332, and the easiest PHSL paper is PHSL345. What papers are you considering? I highly recommend FORB201 in SS (attended about 4 lectures and scored 95% overall, plus I don't know anyone who didn't get A+). Also HUNT233 in SS is good - a friend of mine got A+ in both papers during SS at the start of this year. If you do those 2, you'll only need 5 throughout S1 and 2

I've applied for both FORB 201 and HUNT 233 just incase I decide to do two papers - I have been advised by quite a few of my peers to not do 2 papers at SS, saying that I "won't have a life and one A+ is better than 2 mediocre grades" (these guys did SS, not sure how they did in terms of grades)

Just wondering what the SS workload is like? (if one takes 2 papers) - I haven't done SS before.

And a final question: Does anyone know for sure that it is the best 126 points provided you pass the requirements of your major? I ask, because if that is the case, if I managed to get a mediocre grade for a 300-level PHSL (still passed it, and did well in all the other PHSLs and the 200-levels), would I be able to substitute that mediocre PHSL paper (in terms of grades) for a SS paper? OR does it have to be included in GPA calculations due to it being essential to my major?

Example:
SS FORB 201: A+
SS HUNT 223: A+

S1 PHSL 341: A
S1 PHSL 342: A
S1 PHSL 345: A

S2 PHSL 343: B+
S2 MICR 223: A+
S2 MICR 222: A+
 
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What are the assignments like for BIOA 201, FORB 201 and HUNT 233? (e.g. lab reports, reviews, editorials or journal article e.t.c)

I am thinking of taking the following:

For SS possibly:
BIOA201

S1:
PHSL 345
ANAT 331
(200 level, can be changed): maybe MICR 221

S2:
PATH 301
PHSL 343
(200, level can be changed): maybe MICR 222

I am assuming that you only need to take 6 papers (108 credits in total) and also 4x 300 level papers are sufficient to get biomed degree in 3rd year

do you recommend taking more than 6 papers?

The internal components of each of the papers you've mentioned are listed below:
BIOA201 (I do not recommend taking this paper)
Practical terms test (Lecture + Lab material) 20%
Written Assignment (Lab Report) 20%
Final Exam (SAQ and mini Essays, 2hrs) 60%

FORB201 (I highly recommend taking this paper)
Terms test (SAQ and mini Essays on blood stain analysis and entomology) 20%
Short Blood staining essay 10%
Long Decomposition and entomology essay 30%
Final exam (2 essays, one on blood staining and another on decomposition/entomology, 1hr) 40%

HUNT233 (I recommend taking this paper)
Quizzes (4 quizzes, 5% each) 20%
Assignments (1 is 20%, another is 15%) 35%
Oral presentation 5%
Final exam (MCQ, SAQ and mini essays, 2hrs) 40%

For a more detailed description of each paper, visit the following hyperlinks:
Summer School BIOA 201 , University of Otago, New Zealand
SS FORB 201, University of Otago, New Zealand
Summer School HUNT 233, University of Otago, New Zealand

WRT taking 6 papers, the admissions website states that:
the Medicine Competitive Graduate Category of Admission scoring process will be based on 7 papers (126 points equivalent to Otago) in each academic year of study
So I would take at least 7, but preferrably 8 just to be on the safe side (2 in SS, 3 in each of the subsequent semesters). Taking 2 SS papers and scoring good grades is certainly possible if you choose the right papers and you're really willing to put in the effort. Keep in mind that SS is only 6 weeks, so the pain you'll have to endure is very transient, yet highly profitable in the long run. With FORB201, you really do not need to attend lectures because out of the 20 odd lectures you are given, only 3-4 are actually assessed throughout the entire paper (assignments, terms tests AND final exam). Which means you will have more time to spend on the other SS paper e.g. HUNT233. As I said before, I've talked to a lot of people who took that paper, and I don't know any who scored less than an A+. They have been repeating the same assignments and final exam questions every year, so just prepare model answers at the start of the course and you're all set to go. Also, a good tip for the assignments is BE ORIGINAL! For my first assignment, I took a more traditional approach (writing informative paragraphs about the functions and structures of blood stains) and scored 88%. In the long assignment, I tried to be as original as possible, taking photos of myself as a dead corpse, with rice and jam on my body (symbolising wounds and maggots) and I told a story about how a young man was murdered in a dunedin flat, and how the heat pump was broken leaving the temperature cold, and so slowing down the decomposition process and maggot development. I scored 98% for that one. The lecturer is really quirky, so he loves assignments that unconventional. I also mentioned a quote from Dexter that went something like "science is one cold hearted b*tch with a 14-inch strap on." Be original.

I've applied for both FORB 201 and HUNT 233 just incase I decide to do two papers - I have been advised by quite a few of my peers to not do 2 papers at SS, saying that I "won't have a life and one A+ is better than 2 mediocre grades" (these guys did SS, not sure how they did in terms of grades)

Just wondering what the SS workload is like? (if one takes 2 papers) - I haven't done SS before. I'm currently sitting on a first year GPA of 8.75 and 2nd year is treating me well (so far anyway) so I am definitely capable of working hard. If taking 2 papers during the SS period exceeds the workload of taking 4 papers in a semester, I think I'd most likely go with one paper.

I think it's not a bad idea to take 2 (if i can) to make my life a little more easier next year so I can do four 300-Level PHSLs and two 200-levels.
(would still need to take 6 papers regardless, so that I don't lose the "full-time student" tag)

And a final question: Does anyone know for sure that it is the best 126 points provided you pass the requirements of your major? I ask, because if that is the case, if I managed to get a mediocre grade for a 300-level PHSL (still passed it, and did well in all the other PHSLs and the 200-levels), would I be able to substitute that mediocre PHSL paper (in terms of grades) for a SS paper? OR does it have to be included in GPA calculations due to it being essential to my major?

Example:
SS FORB 201: A+
SS HUNT 223: A+

S1 PHSL 341: A
S1 PHSL 342: A
S1 PHSL 345: A

S2 PHSL 343: B+
S2 MICR 223: A+
S2 MICR 222: A+
One important thing I learned (the hard way) about the Competitive Grad pathway is that its not about the number of papers you take, but rather which papers you take. A relatively slack person could take 4 papers and score 4 A+s while a hard-working, diligent person could take only 2 papers and score an A- and a B+. What differs between the two is what papers they studied. Different lecturers have different teaching styles and mark differently. This is a very important point to take home. One of the keys to succeeding in the graduate pathway is asking people who have traveled the road you are about to embark on for advice. Where are the rough patches? The speed bumps? Which route should I avoid? Which road is the smoothest and saves me the most time? With Otago, the departments differ dramatically in the way they deliver their courses, so knowing which papers are most recommended by those who have experience is a positive step in differentiating yourself from the rest of the competition.
The SS workload again depends on which papers you take. FORB201 has a relatively low workload, while HUNT233 (I've heard) is more intense. BIOA201 is very demanding, the material is poorly delivered and the assignments are not only marked harshly, but inconsistently to the marking schedule. They posted a list of the grades for BIOA201 outside the anatomy dept for my year - the top mark was 86% (2 people got that). There were only 6 people who scored A-. HUNT233 had far better marks. This is an example of how choosing the right papers affects your grade - it doesn't matter how much effort you had put into BIOA201, you just were NOT going to get an A+. So choose wisely.
I also asked about the full-time student thing because I took only 2 papers in semester 1. I think you are considered a full time student if you take at least 7 paper throughout the entire year. But I think there's a link on the studylink website that outlines it in more detail. I would also email the admissions committee for more reassurance.
Also, I think as long as you pass your 300 level papers, then your 200s still have the potential to over ride them because the website simply states "your best 7 papers," nothing is mentioned about taking your 300 levels first. But again, I'd flick an email to Beth just to be safe
 
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Do you reckon i will still have some time to study for GAMSAT if i take those two papers you suggested over summer?

Probably not. You would have to start preparing for GAMSAT after your S2 final exams if you want a realistic shot at doing well. GAMSAT, unlike the UMAT, actually requires preparation. ACER even advises you to prepare beforehand, especially for the science section. If you can fit in some prep during Nov and Dec, and then some intense prep after summer school you might have some chance of doing well, but its probably not reasonable to do such a thing given that you'd probably be burned out after your s2 exams, and preparing during the summer holidays might put a strain on your performance in summer school. I would think seriously about what your chances are in NZ vs Aus, and make my decision from there. If you are serious about doing the GAMSAT, I'd recommend studying hard from December onward and taking only FORB201 during summer school.

If you need GAMSAT prep material, pm me.
 
200 levels papers to boost GPA in 3rd year (Otago)

Hi all,

Have just had to rearrange my entire year after finding that the timetables for some of my 300lvl papers have changed and clash. I'm doing a BSc degree in Biochemistry with a minor in Maori studies (weird combo i know!) and looking to do a postgrad application into med (and maybe dent). Does anyone have any ideas for which 200lvl papers I can take to boost my GPA (which isn't looking tooooo flash at the moment)? My first semester is already full but I have 2 free spaces in second semester. It's really annoying because alot of the 200lvl subjects (such as micro and pharmacology) have their second semester papers requiring (or strongly advising) the first semester paper/s also. I did GENE221 this year, and taking 5 BIOC papers next year (351, 352, 353, 355 and 360).

So far I've been looking into HEAL202/203, PHSE206, GENE222/223, ANAT242/243 or PHSY232/233. And maybe PHIL221 but it seems like alot of work. Does anyone have any experience with any of these papers, and how did you find them? Any help would be *much* appreciated!! Any feedback on 300lvl BIOC in terms of workload would also be awesome!!

Also, goodluck to anyone sitting exams soon! :lol:

Cheers!
Josh
 
apparently the new format is actually not too bad, well at least the people i know from last year seemed to manage it pretty well

apparently the one big research project and lab report is preferable to the many lab reports during semester

how are rat races in terms of doing well? are they quite fast past paced and stressful?
 
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Thanks :)
 
so far throughout second year ive found the required textbooks really useless. i find that a good grade can be achieved with the slides and audio recordings. they cost a lot and help very little. mind you ive only done phsl and micro papers
 
Hello :lol: I have been thinking of similar things with regards to choosing my papers next year at Otago. I have the same goal as you. However, I am going to take the papers I most enjoy. Certain papers I did this year in 200 level I had been warned by people that they are really difficult, and to avoid them. I took them anyway. In my case, what people had said had nothing in relation to how well I did in those papers. My two best papers were those which people had said were the hardest, and that is because they were fascinating to me and I sat in lectures and was excited by the material and did not forget it. At the end of my degree I will have completed the background which most interests me, and provides a backup to take an honours program to do the subjects I most enjoy (and to apply for med again from hons if need be).

See you in med (!)
 
Help with choosing 3rd Year BBiomedSc Majoring in FUHB Papers

Hey!

I am looking for some guidance when it comes to choosing my papers for my 3rd year of a BBiomedSc majoring in FUHB degree.

So far what I have is:

SS - FORB201
S1 - PHSL345
S2 - PHSL343, MICR222

So what I am looking for:

1. Potentially another SS paper
2. Three more S1 papers
3. One more S2 paper, and potentially one more
3. A total of at least seven papers with an 8th option
4. 200 or 300 level papers only

I am looking for papers which are considered "easier" to get an A+.

I must choose two more from the following list:

ANAT 331, ANAT 332, ANAT 335, BIOC 353, BIOC 354, BIOC 355, HUNT 311, HUNT 312, MICR 332, MICR 334, PATH 301, PHAL 301, PHAL 304, PHSL 342 (or PHSL 341 or PHSL 344)

Please give me reasons for any recommendations you make.

I have received some input a while ago, however, some of the papers have changed since then so I would be very grateful to anyone who can offer new information or can direct me to someone who can.

Thank you in advance for your help :)
 
wheater is a good book. barely used it tho. use it from libry its not worth buying as I only used it for first module mainly. Marieb is okay but not needed. I did use it for reference. Got 89 for it. Personally not worth either.

Brock is handy for reference, I did do readings most of the time aswell. Got 89 and 92 for MICR221 and 222. Most of the info is on the slides though. I gotit more for comfort. PM me if you want a copy.

I buy all the textbooks and then sell it. most of them I hardly use only for references and clearing up doubts. You can do without any textbooks thru uni if you like its more like just to be safe or to find stuff out thats poorly written about online etc. End of the day these papers are like anyother papers and its upto you, nothing special bout these txt books.

What about Infection and Immunity by Playfair for MICR223? Do you think that's needed? It's been listed as essential.
 
I did not use the Playfair book at all. I think it was needed for a some lab pre-readings. Lec slides + audio were enough. It would definitely not class it as essential.
 
Advice on choosing papers for 200-level micro?

Hi. I need help choosing papers for 200-level micro. Can anyone who has done any of these give me some info on what the assessments are like and whether the textbook was needed or not?

I've got MICR 221, 222, 223 so far with PHSL231 but I need another 2 papers.
I can choose from
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]ANAT 241[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]BIOC 221[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]BIOC 222[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]BIOC 223[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]FOSC 202[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]GENE 221[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]GENE 223[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]PATH 201[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]PHSL 231[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]PHSL 232[/FONT], [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Geneva, sans-serif]PHSL 233.
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I would completely rule out any BIOC papers, FOSC and ANAT since they seem dull. But I'm still not sure about the ones I have left. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
 
Take ANAT241 and PHSL233. The former should be used as a pre-requisit for ANAT332 (which will be a guaranteed A/A+ for 3rd year which is where it really counts) and PHSL233 is just a fair and relatively straight forward 200 level paper to take. Top it off with a couple of 100 levels (preferably in summer school) and you're set to go
 
Thanks for the recommendations!
Yeah, I was considering those 2 along with the pathology paper. Do you know what the assessments and labs are like for ANAT 241 and PHSL233? I've read over the university's description of these 2 papers and they just didn't seem very interesting but I did well in CELS so I'm guessing it should be fine.
 
Thanks for the recommendations!
Yeah, I was considering those 2 along with the pathology paper. Do you know what the assessments and labs are like for ANAT 241 and PHSL233? I've read over the university's description of these 2 papers and they just didn't seem very interesting but I did well in CELS so I'm guessing it should be fine.
I don't know what path is taught like outside of med, but if BSc-path is anything like med-path, I would have thought it would be a bit of a GPA-killer...
 
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