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Auckland OLY1 chat - archive

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Hey guys

Two issues I'd like to talk about

1) Lab marks
The approach I had was that I would ask the tutors about clarifying what I did wrong and how I can improve my answers. It would generally show the tutors your interest in improving yourself. At the same time, it may give the tutors another think about your answers. Sometimes the tutors may have another think and go: "o wait... maybe I shoud've given you a mark here". There is a power differential between the tutors and the student, obviously you talk to them in the tone that they are the ones in control.
Be careful and do not do things which would annoy the tutors. People generally don't like "smart-asses", "pricks", arrogant people. So obviously don't take your assignments up and tell the markers that they were wrong. I don't know what others think, but taking your assignments up to the coordinator may lead to further negative events (she tells your tutor about you and BOOM more negative attitudes towards you).

2) For the first Pophlth test, as others have pointed out learn the Rod Jackson's Gates notes (you may omit things that he specifically says he won't test). He presents basic ideas which are pretty straightforward but be careful not to be fooled by his practice questions. Not sure if he did it on purpose, but he makes the practice questions very easy and straightforward, but in the actual test, he makes the questions more ambiguous and makes the idea more complex. My advice is to go in, keep an open mind, and expect anything can happen. As others have said, pay attention even to minor detail and don't be shy to ask him questions prior to the test (ask him early). In my year, many people were caught out by the difference between the practice and actual test, and sent him angry emails that the "test was too hard". I don't know if the test has changed now or not...

Good luck for the tests

cheers
Gigaoblivion
 
Don't forget to keep your pop health workshop notes up to date before the epidemiology test, they always fit in one or two sneaky questions that you can only answer if you remember the facts :D

Do you guys have all your other tests before or after the mid sem break?
 
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I had my POPLHLTH tutorial today - it was a good indicator of how the test MCQs may turn out to be like - how did everyone else find theirs?
However, I thought some of the MCQs were strangely worded and misleading! (Hope that doesn't happen in the real test! :blink:)

Haha, oh yeah, didn't Dennis basically tell us that the practice test MCQs on Cecil may be medium-ish difficulty in the upcoming test, but they weren't too bad, right? ^_^

Everyone, good luck for prep and whatnot!
 
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However, I thought some of the MCQs were strangely worded and misleading! (Hope that doesn't happen in the real test! :blink:)
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I'm sure it will be worse if not the same...

If a question asks you to interpret relative risk, can you just talk about RRI or RRR. I really don't know any other way of saying relative risk is simply EGO/CGO.
 
Okay so I have two questions regarding the upcoming poplhlth test. I am probably being very blind, but just checking, firstly, how many questions are in the test? is there are set number each year, as I am sure the practice test only had 20, but I thought it was 30 last year. Also, is the test just Module 1 (Rod Jacksons module) + workshops, or does it include a bit of Module 2 which we start tomorrow too?Thanks guys
 
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But, I can answer your last question precisely. If you haven't started Module 2, it won't be in the test. Period.

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Thanks, yeah well we start module 2 tomorrow, and our test in next wednesday, I know chem and stuff will include the material learnt right up until the test, but then again I highly doubt/sincerely hope poplhlth dont feature material from the lecture the day before the test.
 
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I'm sure it will be worse if not the same...

If a question asks you to interpret relative risk, can you just talk about RRI or RRR. I really don't know any other way of saying relative risk is simply EGO/CGO.
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The thing is, the questions were actually misleading in that they could have been false (when you have to choose the statement that is false, etc) and that just really wasn't testing our knowledge instead of just confusing us into thinking that it was a false statement when it wasn't...if you get what I mean! I asked my tutor afterwards and even she agreed that Q2 about smoking and lung cancer was just clumsy -_-

Hmm, yeah, it depends on the question and what they give you as the options! If an interpretation of RR is needed (in some way), it really depends on the scenario/situation/info that is present. Talking about RRI and RRR is probably more accurate than just talking in relative risks, and can provide a better comparison =]

What do people who have done POPLHLTH before think? ^_^
 
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The thing is, the questions were actually misleading in that they could have been false (when you have to choose the statement that is false, etc) and that just really wasn't testing our knowledge instead of just confusing us into thinking that it was a false statement when it wasn't...if you get what I mean! I asked my tutor afterwards and even she agreed that Q2 about smoking and lung cancer was just clumsy
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Hmm, true true
but i think we have to realise that the options provided aren't necessarily all correct and so we have to pick out the answer that is the best alternative (if you know what i mean). But in terms of question 2, it's true that relative risk shouldn't have any units so that was definitely false. I just think that there's going to be much more of these ambiguous questions in our test.
 
Nogeat said:
Hmm, true true
but i think we have to realise that the options provided aren't necessarily all correct and so we have to pick out the answer that is the best alternative (if you know what i mean). But in terms of question 2, it's true that relative risk shouldn't have any units so that was definitely false. I just think that there's going to be much more of these ambiguous questions in our test.
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Yes, I see what you mean. But that is only if they specifically state that we must choose "the best alternative" in the question, otherwise then the question itself is at fault! Yeah, true that relative risk should not have any units - it was a sneaky little thing to put in. Well, I agree, that's for sure!
 
Hey guys, just got a question about the allantois
Does it arise from the yolk sac (according to the course guide) or is it from the endoderm (according to review lecture)
 
Isn't the allantois an outgrowth of the hindgut so it arises from endoderm? Im pretty sure the yolk sac only gives rise to primordial germ cells and something else blood related? Don't quote me on this though - it may be best to email the lecturer and double check :) Good luck for your tests!

I wish I could help you out with pophlth but I think ive forgotten most things! Maybe if you have the options we could help you pick the most appropriate answer?

If not take a look at the 'most popular/highest rated' questions on peerwise about RR and see how they have been answered- I found peerwise really helpful last year so perhaps it will be beneficial to you too? :)
 
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[MENTION=13210]Nogeat[/MENTION] - Just wondering, have you emailed Fabiana about your query?

Ok, so from what I understand, Jig is right in that the allantois is a outgrowth of the hindgut (see p92 of lecture guide - diagram label description), so it does have endodermal origins. However, I also read in the lecture guide (as you did - p93) that the allantois evaginates from the yolk sac.

Both of these arise from the endoderm, so is it basically the formation of the endoderm --> yolk sac ---> allantois in the grand order of human development?

(Later on, the yolk sac does give rise to primordial germ cells and whatnot, I think.)

Hmm, I hope I helped and didn't add to the confusion! I realised after reading your question that I am still inexplicably lost when it comes to human development... :unsure:
 
It's said that once in the course guide, but i prefer to go with the lecture slides

Good luck to all for the pophlth test 1 on wed :lol:
 
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