Bond Bond Medicine: General Discussion

[sunnyrain]

Ahh okay, thank you Crow!

 

[Gangau]

Bond 2020 May intake 131
Bond 2020 Sep intake 60

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Bond 2020 May intake 131
Bond 2020 Sep intake 60

Do you happen to know the typical May intake figure?

 

[A1]

Do you happen to know the typical May intake figure?

MedDeans show Bond's last four years Y1 enrolments were 124 - 128 - 134 - 131 (2020).
And Bond is taking another 60 on top of this 131?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

MedDeans show Bond's last four years Y1 enrolments were 124 - 128 - 134 - 131 (2020).
And Bond is taking another 60 on top of this 131?

Yeah, that’s what I was wondering!! Yikes!! What on earth??! I was thinking (hoping!!) the May intake had dropped substantially.

 

[A1]

Yeah, that’s what I was wondering!! Yikes!! What on earth??! I was thinking (hoping!!) the May intake had dropped substantially.

Maybe Bond sent to MedDeans the 2020 *initial* number of Y1 enrolments. But since then 60 have withdrawn due to COVID restrictions?

 

[Ollie17]

Do you happen to know the typical May intake figure?

I thought students were able to defer start dates. These figures if added together seem incorrect.

 

[dotwingz]

Maybe Bond sent to MedDeans the 2020 *initial* number of Y1 enrolments. But since then 60 have withdrawn due to COVID restrictions?

It must be that, considering the bond 2021 guide says:

In 2020, Bond offered 130 places into the Medical Program^ with 80% of total places for undergraduate applicants and 20% of total places to graduate applicants

 

[Bighead12]

when does applications even open for bond MD?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

when does applications even open for bond MD?

Not until early next year.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

I thought students were able to defer start dates. These figures if added together seem incorrect.

Yeah, at the time of the Sept intake announcement, we understood that a number of people had opted to a) defer their offer (when that became an option) or b) withdraw altogether for changed financial reasons.

It would make more sense that the figures were 131 May intake, ~60 withdrew or opted to defer, then 60 started this month as a combo of deferred from May students and new offers to make up for the withdrawals.

So it’s possible the total is still ~130, not 190 as the initial post suggested.

 

[dotwingz]

I would also bet that if we say a 50% increase in total capacity we would of seen alot more offers come through on MSO, IIRC we only saw like a couple.

 

[Gangau]

According to my mate in Sep intake, confidently almost of them are not getting May offer, including my mate and his friends.

None of them came here.

Think wisely from financial prospective, Bond increased medicine intake has sufficient reason.

Medicine Dean report has published in early this year and at that time did not start the Sep intake (AMC did not approve)

After my research, Bond is the only one university did not have staff restructure and now I saw the construction of new building is still going and renovation has put in everywhere in Bond.

Furthermore, I also took analysis of Facebook private Group Bond MD 2020 May and Facebook Private Group Bond MD 2020 Sep, I have found the number of membership is justified for the intake.

But has intern issue for Sep intake. ( they will graduate in April 2025)

Question is this kind of intake just once or keep going?

 

[dotwingz]

Can confirm Bond took in another 60 additional students, although I find the justification perplexing. This means out of the ~260 people they interviewed, 180 got places. wow


ETA: Its crazy how they can just increase by 50% in one year, I guess thats a benefit of charging 400k per head

 

[Crow]

Wtf.

 

[A1]

Can confirm Bond took in another 60 additional students, although I find the justification perplexing.

Bond has foreseen a COVID-induced need for 60 extra QLD doctors in 5-7 years time. They are saying this pandemic will still be passing around then?

Btw AMC's relation with med schools is only on accreditation of the courses. Bond would have needed to show AMC they can organise the increased clinical placements for approval accreditation-wise. AMC's blessing is not relevant to the increase in graduates output itself.

 

[dotwingz]

Bond has foreseen a COVID-induced need for 60 extra QLD doctors in 5-7 years time. They are saying this pandemic will still be passing around then?

Btw AMC's relation with med schools is only on accreditation of the courses. Bond would have needed to show AMC they can organise the increased clinical placements for approval accreditation-wise. AMC's blessing is not relevant to the increase in graduates output itself.

Agreed, its a false pretense to increase $$$. They could run a cohort as large or small as they like assuming the AMC thinks the quality of teach is still acceptable.

 

[A1]

Agreed, its a false pretense to increase $$$. They could run a cohort as large or small as they like assuming the AMC thinks the quality of teach is still acceptable.

Potentially Bond can set aside $100k out of the $400k fees to "buy" an intern spot for these extra students. The QLD gov win since they can maintain the usual number of internships but get relieved of 60 intern salaries. The losers are int'l graduates who will have 60 fewer spots available.

 

[asdf1234]

Does all this have any bearing on the legitimacy of the qualification and/or internship placements later on? 'cause I'm in this September cohort and I've been a bit insecure about that. I made a post a while back in the Non-standard entry thread with something to this effect, but TL;DR I was planning to attempt non-standard entry into medicine elsewhere, I re-sat the UCAT and everything, and then suddenly I received the September offer. Logically, I accepted it because I felt the guaranteed offer here (expensive & unconventional as it may be) was still better than risking no offer elsewhere. But it feels like such a 'dodgy' way of scraping my way into medicine, at times I've worried whether or not it might plague me for the rest of my career (by internship risk, reputation, or otherwise).

Agreed, its a false pretense to increase $$$. They could run a cohort as large or small as they like assuming the AMC thinks the quality of teach is still acceptable.

Yeah they mentioned in the letter of offer the thing about "increasing the supply of medical practitioners" in addition to allowing the May-intake students some flexibility to defer if their financial security has been impacted by the pandemic. I agree that the "increasing the supply of medical practitioners" sounds like a rather weak attempt to find a non-monetary justification for the additional intake, that said, I find the "allowing May-intake students some flexibility to defer" reasoning fair enough. Also Bond University did a universal 25% fee reduction for all students in all years in all faculties last semester, and a 15% reduction this semester, they gotta make up for it somehow to still be able to run the university.

 

[Crow]

Does all this have any bearing on the legitimacy of the qualification and/or internship placements later on? 'cause I'm in this September cohort and I've been a bit insecure about that. I made a post a while back in the Non-standard entry thread with something to this effect, but TL;DR I was planning to attempt non-standard entry into medicine elsewhere, I re-sat the UCAT and everything, and then suddenly I received the September offer. Logically, I accepted it because I felt the guaranteed offer here (expensive & unconventional as it may be) was still better than risking no offer elsewhere. But it feels like such a 'dodgy' way of scraping my way into medicine, at times I've worried whether or not it might plague me for the rest of my career (by internship risk, reputation, or otherwise).

Honestly, medicine entry is incredibly competitive and you should take what you can get where you can if you are in the financial position to do it. It's not a good move at all but you may as well capitalise on it. Internships are allocated on a random ballot basis and the uni you graduate from won't have any bearing on your career once you've graduated.

However, I'd have concerns about the quality of your clinical placements if they're just jamming an extra 60 students into the Robina hospital. It really isn't that big. Definitely take a non-standard offer elsewhere if you get one.

they gotta make up for it somehow to still be able to run the university.

They definitely won't be struggling to run the university on the back of a single trimester of a small fee cut. They have been charging absolutely exorbitant fees since the uni's inception. Especially not justifiable if it comes with a dilution of student learning experiences.