They’re not second round invites, they’re first round invites for interstate students. Second round invites are those based on an updated factor (usually actual ATAR higher than predicted), or as top ups for declined spots.
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General Medicine Entry Discussion and Advice Requests
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They’re not second round invites, they’re first round invites for interstate students. Second round invites are those based on an updated factor (usually actual ATAR higher than predicted), or as top ups for declined spots.
emperortamarin
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Hi guys, seeking some advice regarding entry to med.
I'm going in to year 12 in WA and i am confident i will safely get at least a 99.90 atar as i have completed two year 12 subjects this year (so only two to focus on next year).
I will aim for the highest ucat score but i wanted to ask what ucat score would be needed for admission into med (any uni).
i understand that griffiths doesn't take ucat, is 99.90 enough to get in there?
also for uwa, do they prefer WA residents (would i have a higher chance there)
thanks
I'm going in to year 12 in WA and i am confident i will safely get at least a 99.90 atar as i have completed two year 12 subjects this year (so only two to focus on next year).
I will aim for the highest ucat score but i wanted to ask what ucat score would be needed for admission into med (any uni).
i understand that griffiths doesn't take ucat, is 99.90 enough to get in there?
also for uwa, do they prefer WA residents (would i have a higher chance there)
thanks
Look at our Interview and Offers sub-forums where we have collated plenty of data over the years - you can get a rough idea of the required score combos for each uni there. Yes, UWA preferences WA residents.
villanelle35
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Any thoughts on deferring for a year? The course I got offered today is a double degree and it said it's an intensive course so I'm scared I might not have enough time to fully dedicate to re - doing the med application cycle for 2022 entry. But it's annoying because the deadline to accept/defer is before the med offer round so I won't actually know if I got into any med before I choose to defer or accept it straight away??
I was going to link the pitfalls thread for your reading here but I see you’re already looking at it!
There’s a great post in that thread about the pitfalls of a gap year. Gap years are great if you do worthwhile things throughout e.g. travel, work, volunteering etc but not so great if you’re putting your life on hold for an entire year purely to re-attempt getting into med which you can do as a uni student anyways.
Flameeeeee
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So if UWA preferences school leavers, does that mean that UWA also preferences WA graduates via gamsat as well?
No. You need to read the UWA website and the GEMSAS guide for information about graduate entry.
Are there any unis that allow me to start an undergrad degree and still apply as a school leaver in the first year?
For example, if my ATAR is good (eg. 99+) but my UCAT is poor and I don't receive any med offers for direct undergrad, can I start a degree (eg. engineering) and then resit UCAT in my first year but still apply to unis using my ATAR and new UCAT score? Or is this not possible and the reason people take a gap year so their ATAR is still relevant?
For example, if my ATAR is good (eg. 99+) but my UCAT is poor and I don't receive any med offers for direct undergrad, can I start a degree (eg. engineering) and then resit UCAT in my first year but still apply to unis using my ATAR and new UCAT score? Or is this not possible and the reason people take a gap year so their ATAR is still relevant?
Adding to dotwingz's reply, the main reason I have suggested a few students who already got a high ATAR (~99.5) to take a gap year is to keep them eligible next year for med schools that don't accept uni-student applicants - like UQ, Griffith, Monash, Adelaide, UWA, Curtin.
If you don't care about applying to these schools you can start an undergrad degree and apply as a non-standard to UNSW, JMP, WSU without needing to "protect" your ATAR.
JCU would be a disadvantage due to fewer places available to non-standards and if you get a GPA worse than 99 equivalent. But JCU alone is not enough reason to take a gap year.
Yeah WSU uses best of ATAR or GPA provided it's an incomplete degree. Different rules if you apply as a tertiary graduate..
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USyd or UTS or something publish a conversion table that we think it pretty similar to how UNSW compare the two, I think. If you pop ATAR GPA conversion into our search bar, it’ll probably come up as it’s been linked here multiple times.
aeongg
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Seeing this post, I'm also looking at options of getting into medicine OR dentistry. Would you consider an ATAR of ~98.5 to have a reasonable chance at getting offers into standard-applicant unis (like A1 has listed) or would I be better off doing an undergraduate course and achieving a high GPA/WAM to increase my overall mark (was particularly looking at UNSW and JMP) as a non-standard applicant.
Might be the wrong thread - but do those unis that don't accept uni-student applicants also apply to their dentistry courses (in particular Adelaide) as I would also like to apply for dentistry in the future. I've received close to no offers with my terrible UCAT ~85 percentile and am unsure whether it is ONLY my UCAT harming my chances at interview offers or BOTH my ATAR and UCAT score.
Thanks!
Seeing this post, I'm also looking at options of getting into medicine OR dentistry. Would you consider an ATAR of ~98.5 to have a reasonable chance at getting offers into standard-applicant unis (like A1 has listed) or would I be better off doing an undergraduate course and achieving a high GPA/WAM to increase my overall mark (was particularly looking at UNSW and JMP) as a non-standard applicant.
Might be the wrong thread - but do those unis that don't accept uni-student applicants also apply to their dentistry courses (in particular Adelaide) as I would also like to apply for dentistry in the future. I've received close to no offers with my terrible UCAT ~85 percentile and am unsure whether it is ONLY my UCAT harming my chances at interview offers or BOTH my ATAR and UCAT score.
Thanks!
An ATAR of 98.50, while an excellent achievement, is unfortunately not enough for the vast majority of Aus Med schools (and Dent, for that matter). So you’re right, both your ATAR and UCAT would be factors (although your ATAR is enough for JMP, so that’s a UCAT issue alone). Your best bet is definitely to start an undergraduate degree and work towards a competitive GPA. There are tables that detail the Med and Dent requirements, including for non-standard entry.
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I agree with LMG! that a 98.50 is likely too low (which is crazy imo because 98.50 is a fantastic atar) and restricts you to JMP and WSU of which you need some killer UCAT scores to be competitive at.
(edit: you might of had a good shot at Adelaide dent if your UCAT was a little higher but these dent schools are pretty non standard friendly so it’s not worth taking a gap year)
If you’re in the process of picking undergraduate degrees i recommend reading these threads aswell
^^ this one is particularly important
(edit: you might of had a good shot at Adelaide dent if your UCAT was a little higher but these dent schools are pretty non standard friendly so it’s not worth taking a gap year)
If you’re in the process of picking undergraduate degrees i recommend reading these threads aswell
Common pitfalls to avoid for year 12 school leavers and other medicine applicants
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^^ this one is particularly important
Choosing An Undergraduate Degree: Questions and Discussions
Hello! I have graduated year 12 this year and want to study graduate entry medicine (preferably) at USYD. I need advice for choosing an undergraduate degree that would best "prepare" me for graduate entry medicine. From my research i've come up with a few things i definitely want in the degree...
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aeongg
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Thank you both for your replies and the support! I've read through all those articles and have decided on my undergraduate course (albeit I'm unsure whether it will be hard or not, so hopefully my GPA will be able to increase!).
If I'm reading the dentistry entry table correctly, USyd, UWA and UMelb don't offer non-standard applicant places. Additionally, UoA offer non-standard dentistry, but do NOT offer non-standard medicine? (seems a bit odd)
The other option I have in mind is the graduate entry pathway, I'm guessing this doesn't only apply to medicine graduate entry, but also dentistry?
In the meantime, time spent studying for the UCAT would most likely be beneficial as I'm guessing my UCAT from last year is invalid (and also really low!)
UAdel do offer non-standard Med kind of... it’s only for their own current students.
And yes, you’re right that graduate entry applies to both Med and Dent.
Finally, you will definitely need to resit UCAT. It’s only valid for the year you complete it (and it sounds like you could use a new one anyway).
Good luck!
USyd, UWA, and UniMelb are all graduate programs that accept a small amount of high schoolers through their provisional programs. So there’s no nonstandard entry into them, but there is graduate entry.
So when you get into your penultimate year of undergrad you can sit the GAMSAT and apply when you graduate.
So when you get into your penultimate year of undergrad you can sit the GAMSAT and apply when you graduate.
a joke lol
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Regarding graduate entry medicine, if I complete a bachelor/masters degree am I still applicable for grad entry med? Obviously provided i have the required WAM/GPA and GAMSAT marks.
