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Does anyone know whether completing 0.75FTE in the first year of my undergrad (non-med) degree would affect my chances of receiving a non-standard medicine offer? Akaik, the unis offering places to non-standards are WSU, JMP and UNSW.

According to the official website, WSU will just look at my overall GPA and since I am doing less than 8 units (I'm doing 6), I would need a GPA of at least 6.4.

JMP says that it will consider uni study if I have completed at least 1FTE of study. Since I am only doing 0.75FTE, I'm *assuming* that means they will look at my ATAR from 2019 (since I took a gap year in 2020), which is 99.55 so definitely above the threshold.

UNSW says that for applicants who have completed 0.75FTE or more, they will look at ATAR OR WAM, depending on which one gives the higher selection rank.

So basically, just wondering whether anyone knows whether this decision could decrease my chances of an offer. Is WAM or GPA in any way negatively affected by doing less than 1FTE? If I don't get into med the next cycle, I'll be recovering the units I skipped (electives) by doing them in summer/winter semesters next year.

I thought I might check with someone who has more experience before finalizing my units. Thanks, guys!
I had a similar experience to you last year, and doing 0.75FTE excluded me from applying competitively to JCU as a non-standard. The conversion from GPA to ATAR-like selection ranks is unfortunately quite poor if one has a FTE study load less than 1.0 by the end of the year. Keep that in mind if you want to apply to JCU Medicine too.
 

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JL538

Monash University - BMedSc/MD I
Does anybody know if there is any tertiary transfer for Monash Uni medicine? I can't find much information online but for example can you start a Bach of Biomedical Science and transfer into the medical degree? I found this Biomedical Science Pathway to Graduate Entry Medicine but it seems to be outdated. Thanks
If you mean graduate entry medicine, then yes that link is right. Monash only takes people who studied their undergrad at Monash (a few specific degrees). If your talking about doing 1 year of an undergrad degree like biomed, and then transferring into MD, I don't believe that's possible at Monash.

 
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kev119

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for flinders provisional med, after the 2 year accelerated undergrad do I technically graduate the bachelors? If I do, I can then sit GAMSAT to try gain entry to the MD in my home state right?
 

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panda_6940

USyd BSc/MD I
for flinders provisional med, after the 2 year accelerated undergrad do I technically graduate the bachelors? If I do, I can then sit GAMSAT to try gain entry to the MD in my home state right?

Yes you get the first degree after the two years, from which you can use to apply to graduate entry unit. However, two year accelerated degrees aren't accepted at every uni, so you would have to research the policy for two year degrees for the uni you want to apply to.
 

LMG!

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for flinders provisional med, after the 2 year accelerated undergrad do I technically graduate the bachelors? If I do, I can then sit GAMSAT to try gain entry to the MD in my home state right?

I think there might be something weird about the Flinders degree that makes this different actually, and maybe not possible? I remember it being talked about before but can’t remember who. dotwingz seems to be the resident Top Dog on this kind of knowledge at the moment! Or maybe A1?

ETA: I just had a look at the Flinders Med webpage, and it says the Provisional course is considered a double degree, which means you're enrolled in both at the same time rather than one after the other, and therefore are considered enrolled in a medical degree from day one. Some universities don't accept applications from students already enrolled in other medical degrees in Australia (WSU/CSU JPM is one of these). JMP do accept students still so that would still be an option.
 
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dotwingz

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I can't recall the specifics, but IIRC the context was that a flinders provisional student wasn't allowed to apply back to WSU as a non standard.

But yeah LMG is right, its listed as a 6 year double degree on their website so you wont be able to apply anywhere that restricts current med students.

Also, i looked it up and the ClinSci degree is 72 units of study, whilst a regular 3 year bachelor's at Flinders (e.g. BBusiness) is 108. Which means that the ClinSci degree is a 2 year degree, not a 2 year accelerated one (like Griffith MedSci for example), and will be inelgible to apply for any graduate schools (although the GEMSAS guide says you may be able to contact and institution and ask them to consider it)
 

A1

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for flinders provisional med, after the 2 year accelerated undergrad do I technically graduate the bachelors?
kev119 is asking about grad entry to another school, you guys answering about non-standard is off topic :p

According to the CDU/Flinders program "The third year of the BCSc and the first year of the MD are completed simultaneously" i.e. the BCSc appears as 2 years but the formal degree is 3 years.

Similarly Flinders says "A student who withdraws from the double degrees program after successfully completing the first three years will be awarded the Bachelor of Clinical Sciences".

So you won't be able to apply for grad entry elsewhere with the 2 years. I'm also not sure whether at the 3rd year at Flinders you'd need to actually withdraw/exit to be awarded the BCSc degree.

> Bachelor of Clinical Sciences (WCSCI1 - 2021) | Charles Darwin University
> Bachelor of Clinical Sciences, Doctor of Medicine - Flinders University Students
 

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dotwingz

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Which means that the ClinSci degree is a 2 year degree, not a 2 year accelerated one (like Griffith MedSci for example), and will be inelgible to apply for any graduate schools (although the GEMSAS guide says you may be able to contact and institution and ask them to consider it)
Was this part not relevant to grad entry :p

A1 adds: I didn't read past the first two lines of your post ;)
 

LMG!

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kev119 is asking about grad entry to another school, you guys answering about non-standard is off topic :p

According to the CDU/Flinders program "The third year of the BCSc and the first year of the MD are completed simultaneously" i.e. the BCSc appears as 2 years but the formal degree is 3 years.

Similarly Flinders says "A student who withdraws from the double degrees program after successfully completing the first three years will be awarded the Bachelor of Clinical Sciences".

So you won't be able to apply for grad entry elsewhere with the 2 years. I'm also not sure whether at the 3rd year at Flinders you'd need to actually withdraw/exit to be awarded the BCSc degree.

> Bachelor of Clinical Sciences (WCSCI1 - 2021) | Charles Darwin University
> Bachelor of Clinical Sciences, Doctor of Medicine - Flinders University Students

Nah, not at all. I just used non-standard unis as an example because they’re the ones I know but was referring to the fact that some unis in Australia don’t allow applications from people already in Med degrees and the nature of the Flinders double degree has caused issues on this front in the past.
 
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