Griffith Griffith Medicine: Medical Science/MD Provisional Entry Q&A

[dotwingz]

Person is right. Overseas but domestic student is the same as normal domestic student.

IIRC there is also a specific clinical skills course you have to pass, which ive heard is quite easy. For context at UQ you have to do 4 courses (2 prerequisites + 2 prerequisites for those courses) to progress. So one course isn't a big deal.

Only caveat is that you are on the hook for a 30% chance of getting bonded place based on grades. I would look into what potentially accepting a bonded position entails. Here is a thread discussing it in detail which is quite long and sometimes repeats itself but I would recommending reading it in full

[2020 entry and beyond] Guide to Bonded Medical Places

IMPORTANT: This thread only applies to those applying for / accepting a BMP for 2020 entry or beyond and those accepting a provisional entry medicine BMP offer in 2019. If you will be accepting your BMP to start medical school in 2019, or have already accepted it in an earlier year, please refer...

medstudentsonline.com.au

Have you looked into other high ATAR courses? You would be eligible to apply for USYD, which is 100% non-bonded. I would personally take the 1 year longer USYD course for guaranteed CSP than rolling the dice with Griffith... but this is discussed in the bonded thread.

 

[Person]

Person is right. Overseas but domestic student is the same as normal domestic student.

IIRC there is also a specific clinical skills course you have to pass, which ive heard is quite easy. For context at UQ you have to do 4 courses (2 prerequisites + 2 prerequisites for those courses) to progress. So one course isn't a big deal.

Only caveat is that you are on the hook for a 30% chance of getting bonded place based on grades. I would look into what potentially accepting a bonded position entails. Here is a thread discussing it in detail which is quite long and sometimes repeats itself but I would recommending reading it in full

[2020 entry and beyond] Guide to Bonded Medical Places

IMPORTANT: This thread only applies to those applying for / accepting a BMP for 2020 entry or beyond and those accepting a provisional entry medicine BMP offer in 2019. If you will be accepting your BMP to start medical school in 2019, or have already accepted it in an earlier year, please refer...

medstudentsonline.com.au

Have you looked into other high ATAR courses? You would be eligible to apply for USYD, which is 100% non-bonded. I would personally take the 1 year longer USYD course for guaranteed CSP than rolling the dice with Griffith... but this is discussed in the bonded thread.

from what ive heard from those doing the course, a non-bonded requires around 6.5-6.7 gpa, which is a considerable amount of work in my opinon and i imagine its harder with the condensed degree. So i would also probably take a guaranteed csp over the one year saved at griffith.

 

[dotwingz]

6.5-6.7 gpa

Thats crazy! I've heard similar ranges too... I could never haha

STP I would definitely apply for USYD + Flinders too

 

[little.cloud]

from what ive heard from those doing the course, a non-bonded requires around 6.5-6.7 gpa, which is a considerable amount of work in my opinon and i imagine its harder with the condensed degree. So i would also probably take a guaranteed csp over the one year saved at griffith.

tbh though it is hard work to get a 6.7< GPA in the course I feel like if you maintain the same work ethic (or even a tiny bit less) that you did in grade 12 it’s defs do able!

also I think the bonded cut off for my year (BMedSci Nathan 2022) was 6.8 which is super high, but in the same vein a med offer is a med offer and bonded vs non-bonded doesn’t seem to be a big deal to many people in my course (me included).

 

[STP]

@STP I would definitely apply for USYD + Flinders too

I wish. Queensland is the only state that gave me 99.95, other states gave me 99.5 - 99.8 so I probably wont get into those with my suboptimal ucat.

also I think the bonded cut off for my year (BMedSci Nathan 2022) was 6.8 which is super high, but in the same vein a med offer is a med offer and bonded vs non-bonded doesn’t seem to be a big deal to many people in my course (me included).

Not the end of the world if I get griff bonded. Also is the GPA different for the Nathan and GC cohorts? If its 25 people in total why wouldn't they just use both?

I'm sure more than 25 99.95 people apply, so how do they even decide who to offer? Wonder what my chances would be compared to other real domestic and rural applicants.

 

[A1]

I'm sure more than 25 99.95 people apply, so how do they even decide who to offer?

Across Australia each year has ~150 students per 0.05 ATAR bracket = 600 students 99.95 to 99.80. Griffith GC+Nathan's 60 places often come down to 99.80 so only 1 in 10. The other 9 in 10 are either (1) not interested in Med, (2) have a scholarship to study somewhere (Oxbridge?), (3) get JCU/UQ higher pref, or (4) know they can't afford to study interstate so don't apply.

 

[atarhacker]

I know of someone getting an offer to USC with 99.75 last year my child with a 99.65 did not. That person did not take the offer and went to UTAS instead despite being local. It was the length of the course which made the decision for them.

Might be a bit late but is he/she a QLDer?

 

[ucat3300+]

Students with ‘perfect’ International Baccalaureate scores revealed

Two Sydney private schools had four students who achieved the perfect score of 45 out of 45.

www.smh.com.au

Universities ‘level the playing field’ on IB marks after perfect score surge

Closer scrutiny will be applied when converting IB marks to ATARs due to concerns of potential grade inflation and overly generous marking.

www.smh.com.au

So curious to see what Griffith/USC cutoffs will be this year

‘Perfect’ scores of 99.95 given to IB students drops by half after conversion process overhaul

However, students Jessica Wei, Shaun Patrick and Lauren Zhang from Redlands School were pleased with their university ranks of 99.75 or higher.

www.smh.com.au

Glad to see UAC is making appropriate changes to prevent IB inflation, hoping QTAC follows suit

We will no longer talk of "45 IBs" but 45.00 (=99.85) 45.25 (=99.90) 45.50 (=99.95).. Beginning of a new era!

 

[A1]

Glad to see UAC is making appropriate changes to prevent IB inflation, hoping QTAC follows suit
We will no longer talk of "45 IBs" but 45.00 (=99.85) 45.25 (=99.90) 45.50 (=99.95).

This sub-division will help alleviate some of the problems but to clarify, it isn't related directly to IB inflation.

I'm disappointed the UAC General Manager wasn't on point in this news article
> Universities ‘level the playing field’ on IB marks after perfect score surge

He said "The problem with the IB has been that the scores are much broader than HSC marks, so we haven’t been able to differentiate between students on the same IB score," which has led to this sub-division.

Whereas the IB inflation last year was due to this reason as mentioned in the article
"Almost 5 per cent of Australian IB graduates received a perfect score of 45 last year (2021), up from 2 per cent the year before."
So sub-dividing them would still mean 2.5x the usual number of IB students getting 99.85-99.95.

 

[ucat3300+]

This sub-division will help alleviate some of the problems but to clarify, it isn't related directly to IB inflation.

"Almost 5 per cent of Australian IB graduates received a perfect score of 45 last year (2021), up from 2 per cent the year before."
So sub-dividing them would still mean 2.5x the usual number of IB students getting 99.85-99.95.

Yes, you are absolutely correct, thank you for pointing out my error in reasoning

Also, it's funny - this article Students with ‘perfect’ International Baccalaureate scores revealed says

"Last year, at least 41 of 600 students in NSW sitting for the IB achieved the highest possible university entrance rank of 99.95 – compared to 48 students from a pool of 50,000 sitting HSC exams."

This is an article published Jan 3rd 2023. So "last year" means 2022.

But this article NSW uni bosses order review of perfect ATARs after IB students beat James Ruse, which was published in Feb 2022 says

"Last year fewer than 600 NSW students sat the IB diploma, but at least 41 of them achieved the highest possible university entrance rank, compared with just 35 across the whole country the year before. Of 55,000 HSC students eligible for ATARs, only 48 achieved the same 99.95."

Here "last year" refers to 2021.

So
1) The dude who published an article Jan 3rd didn't realise it was 2023 and said "last year" (2022) when he meant 2021
2) We still don't know how many people got 45 in 2022, so we can't tell if IB marks were inflated in 2022.

Right?

Or coincidentally there were 41 people out of 600 who received 45 in both 2021 and 2022 which means the IB inflation is still there? Lol

 

[A1]

So
1) The dude who published an article Jan 3rd didn't realise it was 2023 and said "last year" (2022) when he meant 2021
2) We still don't know how many people got 45 in 2022, so we can't tell if IB marks were inflated in 2022.
Right?

I think you're right, the "last year" there meant 2021.

Or coincidentally there were 41 people out of 600 who received 45 in both 2021 and 2022 which means the IB inflation is still there? Lol

I haven't seen the number of 2022 NSW IB45s yet. But in the Griffith Provisional Entry thread Desperatebaby posted that last year (2021) Melb MLC had 12 IB45s, this year only 3. Hopefully that's a sign it has dropped back to the usual numbers.

 

[Desperatebaby]

I haven't seen the number of 2022 NSW IB45s yet. But in the Griffith Provisional Entry thread Desperatebaby posted that last year (2021) Melb MLC had 12 IB45s, this year only 3. Hopefully that's a sign it has dropped back to the usual numbers.

I need to apologise for providing wrong stats as I mixed up MLC sydney and melb.
(Mod note : Rest of the post is edited out due to wrong info - A1).

 

[memeucatscore]

MLC sydney got 12 IB45 both last year and this year

MLC Sydney went from 12 IB45s to zero 45s as per their currently published results. - 2 new 45s after some remarks (10/1/22)

However, this has nothing to do with the IBAS changes. IBAS relates to the conversion from the IB score to ATAR. The overall IB score 45 stays the same but it is attached to a "decimal grade" so it becomes 45.XX, 44.XX, 43.XX and so on. The new score with the decimal grade is then used to convert it to an ATAR. IB performance was simply poorer this year so the number of IB students with these high ATARs is already reduced.

 

[A1]

"Last year fewer than 600 NSW students sat the IB diploma, but at least 41 of them achieved the highest possible university entrance rank, compared with just 35 across the whole country the year before.

More info has come to light, directly from IB Australia
> IB Diploma November 2022 exam session results released - Tuesday January 3 | IB Schools Australasia (Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and PNG)

Total 2421 Aus IB students : 56 IB45s (vs ~110** in 2021 vs 35 in 2020)

So this year has come down significantly but still a bit higher than 2020.
** Note : The ~110 in 2021 is derived from the report "Almost 5 per cent of Aus IB graduates received a score of 45 last year 2021."

 

[ucat3300+]

So this year has come down significantly but still a bit higher than 2020.

This is promising. Can't wait until Thursday to see the cutoffs!

 

[darkbox]

Did anyone get a Griffith or Sunshine coast offer? QTAC offers were supposed to be at 8:30 AM.

 

[memeucatscore]

8:30 AM.

QLD does not have daylight savings time so it's not 8:30am yet.

 

[darkbox]

oh THANKSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so scared haha

QLD does not have daylight savings time so it's not 8:30am yet.

 

[ar456]

Any info on what the cutoff was this year for griffith and usc? Didn't get in with a 99.75... looks similar to last year...

 

[dachshund]

Any info on what the cutoff was this year for griffith and usc? Didn't get in with a 99.75... looks similar to last year...

Didn't get nathan campus with 99.8
I bet they'll do second round offers though