The interview cutoff is usually 94th percentile I think - we won’t know how much higher it will go until we see the final stats. But I agree, it can’t keep increasing by the same margin each year, it will eventually hit a natural limit.
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JMP JMP: General Entry Discussion
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It will only hit a natural limit when applicant numbers plateau out, iirc every year the UCAT has been used for medicine selection the amount of people sitting it AND applying to said universities have risen not insignificantly. I suggest it wouldn't be an irresponsible conclusion to assume that the percentile will continue to rise for the foreseeable future as unsuccessful applicants reapply and new graduates from high school apply. Especially since it would be very irresponsible for the govt to increase med school numbers in the current climate since their is already a massive shortage in SMO work especially metro.
Hey, my son is pretty much in the same boat. Just a lower ATAR. 2022 graduate. 97 ATAR, got 3140 yesterday and targeting UON and WSU. Hoping that it doesn't go up massively from last year (3100). Another question I have is the UON Bachelors of Biomedicine Pathway; the website states that, as long as one clears the 4.3GPA hurdle and the Rural UCAT hurdle successfully (in the year of applying for JMP), you will be offered an MSA and a PQA and will be able to compete with all external applicants for all available JMP Medicine seats. So, hypothetically, if the whole of the Biomed cohort clears the above two hurdles, they will inadvertently invite the whole of the Biomed cohort for MSA and PQA? What cohort sizes in Biomed and JMP are we talking about here approximately? Would love to hear from anyone who have made their way into JMP via the BIomed pathway? Thanks a ton.
I can't speak from experience of having done this but I would say that a non-insignificant proportion of the JMP comes from that pathway. My PBL (this is a small 8 person tutorial) has two people that I know of that completed Biomed at UON. The issue with this whole system is that Biomed honestly is a useless degree, I am not sure about UON specifically but I know that a lot of programs don't even meet the requirements to be a medical scientist at the hospitals. The reason these pathways exist is to fill the cohorts of biomed degrees and make universities money, ANU and Notre Dame both have similar programs.
Again take my advice with a grain of salt but if your son wants to do medicine and doesn't get in I would recommend doing a different degree like nursing or physiotherapy which can give him a career if the medicine side of things doesn't work out. There are thousands of kids every year who enter Biomed with the plan to get into medicine and only a small number of them are successful this isn't to say your son won't be but its always good to have a plan B if things don't work out. Biomed gives you no advantage applying apart from the pathways listed above and more people enter pathways and fail to get into medicine than succeed.
Appreciate the quick response and the detail you have specified.
It is indeed surprising that despite a 4.3 GPA and a rural UCAT hurdle, only approx. 25% of the cohort comes via Biomed pathway. I tend to agree with you on the job prospects after Biomed. The only charm of the degree at UON though is that it lowers the UCAT and GPA hurdles (in year 2 of Biomed) and allows anyone doing Biomed to be competing at the MSA/PQA level with the non-UON direct applicants. That's all to be honest. What other med programs do you recon will be able to give an interview to 97 ATAR and a 3140 (700 VR) applicant if any? TIA for taking the time to respond.
I wouldn't say 25% of the cohort comes from the biomed pathway. I probably phrased that poorly, I more meant it's not uncommon to come across people that have come from that pathway. You have to consider even if the whole biomed cohort met the cutoff and applied they would still need to get through interviews to receive an offer and interview ratios are roughly 5 interviewees for every 1 place.
littlefish
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Hi,
I think you have a very good chance here. My friend even got a UNSW unbonded offer with her UCAT 3060, ATAR 99.85 last year. I know others got into UoN last year with ATAR less than 99.5.
So good luck with your interview!
UoN (JMP) have an ATAR hurdle well below 99.5 so that is not surprising.
Thanks so much for this! I got 3070 which I'm so happy about. Just wondering if you know anything about placements in the JMP program? I have a young son at school in Armidale and was hoping I would be able to do all my placements in Armidale and Tamworth, but unsure if that would be allowed?
I'm not sure what you mean by placements - is it course/campus placement or clinical placements?
Since most JMP applicants prefer UoN over UNE, if you indicate UNE preference and qualify for a place offer it's very likely you get UNE.
However, iirc by 3rd or 4th year UNE students will join UoN students for clinical rotations away from Armidale. Maybe a JMP member will chip in to confirm.
4th and 5th year is when students from the two universities are combined completely. Third year is quite limited in regards to the locations you can go for clinical placement.
For third year UON can be allocated to Maitland, Newcastle or Gosford
Whereas UNE students can complete their med or surg rotation I think????? At Tamworth or Taree.
For Fourth and Fifth year unless your international (who are limited to urban clinical schools due to the rural clinical schools not being able to access funding for them) you can go to Taree, Tamworth, Armidale, Gosford, Newcastle or Maitland. (If you don’t want Armidale make sure you preference it 6th)
I guess it could be important to mention that for GP placement in 3rd and 5th year this can be completed at any practice Aus wide if you choose to do this. Your pathways rotation in fifth year can also be pretty much anywhere in aus or internationally with a few caviets. IIRC indigenous health requires over 50% of your clients to be of aboriginal or Torres straight islander descent if the placement is in aus but interestingly it doesn’t have to be in a healthcare environment ie you could go to clontarf academy or something like that.
When you get to 2nd year, you preference where you do your clinical years. You can apply, under the reason of having a child, to stay in the one spot for years 3-5.
Not more likely to give you bonded. On completion of the interview they rank you against everyone else that interviewed. IIRC the bottom 28.5% get offered a bonded place assuming they said they will receive one, if they don’t tick the box they don’t get an offer at all.
A1 adds: Just to clarify, it's bottom 28.5% of the interviewees who qualify for a place offer. Don't want to give false hopes it's bottom 28.5% of those interviewed.
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Medicmum72
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Hi
I wrote about this a little while ago as my son had been given a place at UNE last year rather than his prefered UoN and was surprised as he had a very high ATAR and high UCAT score. One of his lecturers explained that each year the top students are divided into two groups and offered unbonded places - 2/3 to UoN and 1/3 to UNE which ensures the cohorts are well balanced with the top ranked students (who are ranked according to interview but also previous academic achievement and preferred campus) spread between the two universities. The next group of students are offered Bonded places - once again 2/3 to UoN and 1/3 to UNE.
My son was upgraded from his bonded to unbonded offer at UNE before he started and although he like most of the students had initially wanted UoN, he is loving UNE and has made some fantastic friends. He said the cohort is really tight because it's small and he's been able to get to know students in every one of the first 3 years, and he would definitely recommend life at UNE and Armidale. He does plan to specialize as an anaesthetist and is excited by the prospect of training in and working as a Rural GP anaesthetist before returning to Sydney in the future and he feels he's been very well supported by his lecturers and fellow students at UNE.
So please don't discount UNE if you're offered a place there over UoN. The program is exactly the same, just run in a different environment and every NSW medical student has the same opportunity to work as an intern in any the top NSW hospitals.
Thank you so much! really helpful.
one question, do you know how many students each year in UNE?