Quick Questions Thread: 2018

[j95m]

I believe it shouldn't. That said, I know four successful JMP applicants personally (including me) and the three rural applicants got Armidale, the one non-rural applicant got Newcastle. All four preferenced Newcastle first.

Obviously that is just an anecdote that likely means nothing, but is interesting nonetheless! Might be best to look at collated entry data from last year to expand the sample.

Yes I will have to look into it. I am curious as to how they decide the location of successful candidates, whether it is to do with ranking etc.

 

[Logic]

Yes I will have to look into it. I am curious as to how they decide the location of successful candidates, whether it is to do with ranking etc.

I don't think that it means your more likely to be at New England since there are significantly more places for both rural and non rurals at the University of Newcastle. As shown in "Our target is to see 30% of students in the program from rural and remote locations (18 at the University of New England and 33 at the University of Newcastle)". You are simply allocated based on interview rank until one of the universities is filled up with their rural places. After that, the lower ranks who get an offer will be given to the other university (non-filled) regardless of preference until those places are taken as well.

Source: Entry support schemes

 

[A1]

Does applying via the rural pathway to the JMP make you more likely to be placed in Armidale over Newcastle, if you were successful in your application?

Although not written down in rules LMG! 's described scenario can be explained. If your interview score is high/above the non-rural cutoff (i.e. you would succeed regardless of being rural) you have the same chance of getting Newcastle. But if you are below the non-rural cutoff and rely on being rural for an offer, it means you are further down the ranking list and more likely to get less-preferred Armidale. Hope that makes sense.

 

[j95m]

Although not written down in rules LMG! 's described scenario can be explained. If your interview score is high/above the non-rural cutoff (i.e. you would succeed regardless of being rural) you have the same chance of getting Newcastle. But if you are below the non-rural cutoff and rely on being rural for an offer, it means you are further down the ranking list and more likely to get less-preferred Armidale. Hope that makes sense.

Makes perfect sense! Thanks.

 

[Woo18]

Morning ladies and gents. Sorry if this post is long just trying to get some clarification before I ring admissions. My sons school had a careers day yesterday( his school only has 45 grade 12 students) I was informed by the UQ people after telling them his undergrad would be pharmacy that he could finish after 3 years and move into med. I find this confusing considering it is a 4 year course apparently if he finishes then, then he is not a pharmacist which I think defeats the purpose of paying out the fees with nothing to show. Does anyone know how this works, what if he wants to finish the full 4 years first and if he is able to do the hours he has to do to get the qualification to be fully accredited Pharmacist. Thanks in advance.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Morning ladies and gents. Sorry if this post is long just trying to get some clarification before I ring admissions. My sons school had a careers day yesterday( his school only has 45 grade 12 students) I was informed by the UQ people after telling them his undergrad would be pharmacy that he could finish after 3 years and move into med. I find this confusing considering it is a 4 year course apparently if he finishes then, then he is not a pharmacist which I think defeats the purpose of paying out the fees with nothing to show. Does anyone know how this works, what if he wants to finish the full 4 years first and if he is able to do the hours he has to do to get the qualification to be fully accredited Pharmacist. Thanks in advance.

Just to clarify, your son is hoping to get a UQ provisional Med offer and if so will be selecting pharmacy for his undergrad degree?

You are right that at the end of 3 years he will not be a pharmacist. In fact, at the end of 4 years he will not be a fully accredited pharmacist either, as there is an intern year (paid, full time, effectively a job with an exam at the end) that he would also need to complete before being a generally registered pharmacist with AHPRA.

I believe A1 has a family member who is a pharmacist and maybe can clarify with a little more certainty.

 

[A1]

I was informed by the UQ people after telling them his undergrad would be pharmacy that he could finish after 3 years and move into med. I find this confusing considering it is a 4 year course apparently if he finishes then, then he is not a pharmacist

I found in this doc > https://www.uq.edu.au/student/ProgramRules2018/2018-Bachelor-of-Pharmacy-Honours-2373.pdf
"A student who withdraws from the program after completing courses listed in years 1-3 of the course list, may be awarded the Bachelor of Pharmaceutics and Therapeutic Science."

That means your son can elect to graduate with this 3-year degree (a formal requirement for UQ postgrad med) & move to medicine, but he won't have the Pharmacy qualification.

If he does do the full 4 years for Pharmacy degree he can start working as a Pharmacist under supervision (little better than minimum casual wage). After accumulating 1800(?) logbook hours of this, full-time or casual, he needs to sit/pass a Board exam for registration & work as a qualified Pharmacist.

 

[Gemsik121]

Hi guys, I graduated high school last year and am planning on resitting the UMAT this year. Unfortunately, I have a "record of study" as I completed a semester of university and therefore was wondering what undergrad medicine degrees can I apply that will look at my ATAR, umat etc as opposed to my GPA (I got a withdrew, fail grade).

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hi guys, I graduated high school last year and am planning on resitting the UMAT this year. Unfortunately, I have a "record of study" as I completed a semester of university and therefore was wondering what undergrad medicine degrees can I apply that will look at my ATAR, umat etc as opposed to my GPA (I got a withdrew, fail grade).

Edited for clarity: WSU, JMP (Academic eligibility) and UNSW (Local applicants | Medicine) will just use your ATAR because you've not completed one year full time. I tried searching for JCU's stance but couldn't readily find one. I'd imagine it would be similar?

 

[Gemsik121]

Edited for clarity: WSU, JMP (Academic eligibility) and UNSW (Local applicants | Medicine) will just use your ATAR because you've not completed one year full time. I tried searching for JCU's stance but couldn't readily find one. I'd imagine it would be similar?

thank you LMG, I am also eligible for the joint Charles Darwin and flinders program? I know that SA has equity scheme for medicine and was just wondering about the other unis? (particularly those who will use my ATAR as I haven't done a year of full-time uni)? Would I be eligible for undergrad entry to flinders (clinical science/doctor of medicine)?

 

[A1]

I am also eligible for the joint Charles Darwin and flinders program?

Apparently not unfortunately, Flinders website says "not have an academic record of study at university"
> Undergraduate entry

 

[j95m]

Can anyone tell me (or direct me to previous information) what the JMP MD schedule is like? Do you have compulsory classes everyday at the uni? Does it have recorded lectures as other degrees do?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Can anyone tell me (or direct me to previous information) what the JMP MD schedule is like? Do you have compulsory classes everyday at the uni? Does it have recorded lectures as other degrees do?

I believe LBoG has posted a review of first year JMP. I’ll try and find it and link it here in an edit.

Edited: MD-JMP (UoN)

 

[Woo18]

I found in this doc > https://www.uq.edu.au/student/ProgramRules2018/2018-Bachelor-of-Pharmacy-Honours-2373.pdf
"A student who withdraws from the program after completing courses listed in years 1-3 of the course list, may be awarded the Bachelor of Pharmaceutics and Therapeutic Science."

That means your son can elect to graduate with this 3-year degree (a formal requirement for UQ postgrad med) & move to medicine, but he won't have the Pharmacy qualification.

If he does do the full 4 years for Pharmacy degree he can start working as a Pharmacist under supervision (little better than minimum casual wage). After accumulating 1800(?) logbook hours of this, full-time or casual, he needs to sit/pass a Board exam for registration & work as a qualified Pharmacist.

Thank you for your help He will have to work out what is best for him. We will get the UMAT out of the way and then make some big decisions.

 

[Woo18]

Just to clarify, your son is hoping to get a UQ provisional Med offer and if so will be selecting pharmacy for his undergrad degree?

You are right that at the end of 3 years he will not be a pharmacist. In fact, at the end of 4 years he will not be a fully accredited pharmacist either, as there is an intern year (paid, full time, effectively a job with an exam at the end) that he would also need to complete before being a generally registered pharmacist with AHPRA.

I believe A1 has a family member who is a pharmacist and maybe can clarify with a little more certainty.

Thank you. I will chat with admission on how all this works

 

[Josht4971]

Hey everyone
So I am a first year uni student, who graduated with an atar of 95.9.
I'm currently doing 4 (8 units) courses this semester, however I was planning on doing 3 (6 units) courses next semester. I was just wondering how this will affect me as a non standard. I was thinking of applying to JCU, unsw, jmp, wsu and bond.
Do I have to do 4 courses next semester to be considered a non standard where half my GPA and half my atar will be taken into consideration?
Furthermore I am rural student so I believe that gives me some leeway with certain cutoffs.
Thanks everyone

 

[A1]

I can help with 4 of those 5 schools

UNSW: Last I checked for 0.75+ FTE by end of year they will combine GPA+ATAR, less than 0.75 it's ATAR only.
WSU: Your 95.9 is good (above the hurdle) already, no need to concern with GPA or how many courses/units.
JMP: If less than 1 FTE year I believe it's ATAR only & yours is above the hurdle.
Bond: If less than 1 FTE year it's ATAR only & 95.9 is likely not enough.

Hope someone can explain for JCU. All they say is "The most recent course GPA will be used to rank applicants who have commenced or completed tertiary studies", but does that mean even if just 1 or 2 units?

 

[Ali-as]

Thank you for your help He will have to work out what is best for him. We will get the UMAT out of the way and then make some big decisions.

sorry i'm late to the party.
My recommendation to your son is to do the 3 year program and go into med if that is his end goal. I say this with the following in mind:
- financially: if he wants to do med anyway then the income loss of 2 years of med vastly outweighs any benifit he gets from getting his pharmacy license. (in general locum pharmacists don't make as much money as they used to so the justification of having a high paying job while studying doesn't end up paying off in the long run)
- accreditation: I would find it very hard to beleive there is some one that is currently holding on to a pharmacist and medical registration with AHPRA at the same time (i'm not even sure youre allowed to do that) and so the extra 2 years (1 study + 1 intern) will have been only worthwhile for 4 years.

I could probably think of a few other reasons but my overall recommendation is to sit down and think is med for me. if it is then take the easiest path to it and I would not think of those three years as a waste because they must be done anyway (most MD programs are 6-7 years) and he is doing it in a course that will help him in the med course.

If you have any questions get in contact with me and I'll try to help, I just go MIA a lot haha

 

[Gemsik121]

Hi guys, thank you all for your responses. So, even though I have commenced a semester of uni but got a withdraw, fail grade for semester 1, I can apply for undergrad med at WSU, JMP, UNSW, all of which will look at my ATAR as opposed to GPA?

I know that south Australian universities for medicine (uni adl and flinders) accepts equity bonus points based on financial disadvantage (eg being recipient of a Centrelink based income in the year of completion of year 12) but does WSU, JMP, UNSW medicine also accepts those readjusted ATAR/additional of equity bonus points?

 

[A1]

Hi guys, thank you all for your responses. So, even though I have commenced a semester of uni but got a withdraw, fail grade for semester 1, I can apply for undergrad med at WSU, JMP, UNSW, all of which will look at my ATAR as opposed to GPA?

Yes but note for different reasons: JMP & UNSW since you've done less than 1 & 0.75 FTE year, WSU since you can use either ATAR or GPA.

I know that south Australian universities for medicine (uni adl and flinders) accepts equity bonus points based on financial disadvantage (eg being recipient of a Centrelink based income in the year of completion of year 12) but does WSU, JMP, UNSW medicine also accepts those readjusted ATAR/additional of equity bonus points?

UNSW doesn't seem to adjust your ATAR but I think puts you in a separate pool less competitive than the main pool. I can't find any mention of equity bonus by JMP or WSU (other than the consideration for rural/GWS applicants).