[Undergrad] UMAT 2017 Results Discussion

[Potofazherbaizan]

One thing I don't get is this: isn't it impossible to be 100th percentile? Because that means that your score was better than 100% of all the scores, which is impossible since that means you'd have to have gotten a better score than yourself since technically you're included in the 100%. So shouldn't the highest percentile be 99th percentile?

It's a very slight technicality. Officially, you are in the 100th percentile. This means that they rank everyone's score, divide it into 100 equal percentiles and give you a mark of which percentile you are in. This is contrary to the ATAR, for example, where the mark they give is how many of such percentiles you beat.

 

[tomleegolf]

Hmmm, I think the person that wrote this blurb had a different idea of percentiles then lol.

Edit: Oh wait I see the equal to, or better than. That makes sense

 

[miaaa888]

Overall UMAT Score: 171
Section One: 50
Section Two: 51
Section Three: 70
Overall Percentile Rank: 83
Estimated ATAR/GPA: ATAR 99.5, GPA 7
Preferred University: Any
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: Non-Standard
State: NSW
Rural: No
ATSI: No
GWS: No
Other Bonuses: Unsure

 

[biom]

Hmmm, I think the person that wrote this blurb had a different idea of percentiles then lol

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An easy way to think of it is...... whether 99 or 100 it is a really good percentile!

 

[Mana]

LOL indeed. That message hasn't changed for as long as I can remember, but I guess careful reading is probably one of the reasons you got that 100%ile.

I actually think you are right in saying that it's wrong - lets assume the scenario that the top scorer gets 280 and the second highest scorer gets 279.

They are both clearly in the 100th percentile but the one in second place hasn't scored equal to or better than 100% of candidates - he hasn't beaten the guy in first.

 

[Kaygov]

To be honest those scores are unlikely to net you an interview at any of the universities. Your best bet would be the JMP, but the cutoff for that last year was a section 1 of 60, and you'd just miss out.

Ok thanks.

 

[evd]

Overall UMAT Score: 182
Section One: 59
Section Two: 67
Section Three: 56
Overall Percentile Rank: 92
Estimated ATAR/GPA: low 99's
Preferred University: open to all, but mainly WSU, UNSW, UQ, UoA, Monash
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: school leaver
State: NSW
Rural: no
ATSI: no
GWS: no
Other Bonuses: no

Question/s: It's not looking optimistic, but is there a substantial chance for 2nd round interviews? Will my chances increase if I can push to a 99.5 ATAR? I don't know a lot about UWA or Curtin, but would be interested to go too, so wondering if there's any likelihood.

(thank you!)

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Overall UMAT Score: 171
Section One: 50
Section Two: 51
Section Three: 70
Overall Percentile Rank: 83
Estimated ATAR/GPA: ATAR 99.5, GPA 7
Preferred University: Any
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: Non-Standard
State: NSW
Rural: No
ATSI: No
GWS: No
Other Bonuses: Unsure

Hello! Bond and JCU are your only options (non-UMAT reliant). If you've completed your degree, Curtin might be worth a shot, too, but not sure whether your UMAT would be competitive as there are only 6 non-standard spots.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Overall UMAT Score: 182
Section One: 59
Section Two: 67
Section Three: 56
Overall Percentile Rank: 92
Estimated ATAR/GPA: low 99's
Preferred University: open to all, but mainly WSU, UNSW, UQ, UoA, Monash
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: school leaver
State: NSW
Rural: no
ATSI: no
GWS: no
Other Bonuses: no

Question/s: It's not looking optimistic, but is there a substantial chance for 2nd round interviews? Will my chances increase if I can push to a 99.5 ATAR? I don't know a lot about UWA or Curtin, but would be interested to go too, so wondering if there's any likelihood.

(thank you!)

Unlikely (just) for UWS, possibly (just) for UNSW, bonded at UQ, possibly for UAdel and Monash. Also, provisional entry at UWA (with 99.0), and possibly Curtin. If you can push to 99.5, then you solidify your UNSW interview invite.

 

[Bell210X]

Overall UMAT Score: 156
Section One: 50
Section Two: 51
Section Three: 54
Overall Percentile Rank: 61
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 6.5 GPA
Preferred University: JMP
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: Non-standard
State: NSW
Rural: Yes, RA2
ATSI: No
GWS: No
Other Bonuses: No

I know I did terribly in UMAT. Given I did just meet the cut-off for consideration, and am a rural applicant, and my GPA is higher than the "close to credit average" that they have listed, do you guys think I have any slight chance of getting an interview?
Also, do you think it makes a difference if I had studied at UoN or UNE previously?
(I did so much better than this in the practice papers. So disappointed. Congratulations to everyone who did well!)

 

[iStudent]

As far as I know there is no bonus for having a health care card, either to your ATAR or UMAT.

An ATAR of 99.85 will give you a Griffith provisional medicine offer.
An ATAR of 99.9 will give you a place in the Melbourne MD Chancellor's program as a CSP (although this isn't a guaranteed entry, it does have rather high odds of entry after).
An ATAR of 99.95 will net you an interview at USyd for their provisional medicine program of which 2/3 will gain entry after the interview stage.

Would you happen to know what the odds are exactly? (or approximately, lol)

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Overall UMAT Score: 156
Section One: 50
Section Two: 51
Section Three: 54
Overall Percentile Rank: 61
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 6.5 GPA
Preferred University: JMP
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: Non-standard
State: NSW
Rural: Yes, RA2
ATSI: No
GWS: No
Other Bonuses: No

I know I did terribly in UMAT. Given I did just meet the cut-off for consideration, and am a rural applicant, and my GPA is higher than the "close to credit average" that they have listed, do you guys think I have any slight chance of getting an interview?
Also, do you think it makes a difference if I had studied at UoN or UNE previously?
(I did so much better than this in the practice papers. So disappointed. Congratulations to everyone who did well!)

It doesn't matter if you've studied at UNE or UoN previously. I think the rural S1 cut off has varied between 50 and 51, so fingers crossed for you that it's at 50 this year and you'll snag an interview by the skin of your teeth . JCU is also definitely an option.

 

[Trinhcent]

Sorry to post again but I had a few more questions.

Overall UMAT Score: 171
Section One: 56
Section Two: 55
Section Three: 61
Overall Percentile Rank: 83
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 99.5+
Preferred University: Adelaide and Flinders
Course Type: Medicine and Dentistry
Application type: School Leaver
State: SA
Rural: no
ATSI: no
GWS: no
Other Bonuses: no

Asking for all universities: Provided my scores, what chances would I have at any uni offering medicine in AUs? Also, how much do dentistry cutoff's differ from med? Lastly, I have read in the medicine admissions guide for adelaide that there will only be one round of interviews, does this mean there are no second round interview offers?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Sorry to post again but I had a few more questions.

Overall UMAT Score: 171
Section One: 56
Section Two: 55
Section Three: 61
Overall Percentile Rank: 83
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 99.5+
Preferred University: Adelaide and Flinders
Course Type: Medicine and Dentistry
Application type: School Leaver
State: SA
Rural: no
ATSI: no
GWS: no
Other Bonuses: no

Asking for all universities: Provided my scores, what chances would I have at any uni offering medicine in AUs?

Okay, for Med: 99.5+/171 means yes to UAdel, UWA, Bond, maaaaybe UNSW if you can squeeze a bit more than 99.5, maybe for Monash, maybe Curtin, probably not for Flinders (99.85+ needed), no for UWS, JMP, UTAS, UQ, USyd, Griffiths. JCU would depend on your written application.

Dent I'm not sure about, but I'd imagine quite a few

 

[Mana]

Sorry to post again but I had a few more questions.

Overall UMAT Score: 171
Section One: 56
Section Two: 55
Section Three: 61
Overall Percentile Rank: 83
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 99.5+
Preferred University: Adelaide and Flinders
Course Type: Medicine and Dentistry
Application type: School Leaver
State: SA
Rural: no
ATSI: no
GWS: no
Other Bonuses: no

Asking for all universities: Provided my scores, what chances would I have at any uni offering medicine in AUs? Also, how much do dentistry cutoff's differ from med? Lastly, I have read in the medicine admissions guide for adelaide that there will only be one round of interviews, does this mean there are no second round interview offers?

Re: dentistry - historically the UMAT cutoffs for a school that offers both medicine and dentistry differ around 15-20 points or so (dentistry being lower) - this was back when Adelaide had more dental school places and UWA was an undergraduate medical and dental school.

However as there are now more dental schools which don't even use the UMAT (JCU, Griffith, CSU, La Trobe) than which do (Adelaide, UQ, and the significant changes with dentistry numbers at the Adelaide medical school, it's rather hard to predict nowadays what the UMAT will be. UQ's dentistry cutoff I think has stayed at a somewhat stable high 170's (177/178) in the last few years, while the Adelaide UMAT scores for interview went way up with the move to the new RAH.



There are definitely second round Adelaide medicine interviews, for the record, but you can only be invited to one of the rounds.

 

[thegreatestever]

It is not technically but practically true. UQ adds these 2 or 4 points to your Rank which as we know closely resembles ATAR's rounded number. For example 4 points added to 95.8 gives Rank 99 not ATAR 99.80

Mana has also explained SATAC's 5 bonus points don't work this way though. It's added to your uni aggregate which does not correlate linearly with ATAR. Rule of thumb is +3 for 95, +2 for 97, +0.5 for 99.

ETA: Thank you, A1!! I did warn gnaf that my knowledge on this matter was based only on my google-fu abilities - LMG!

Actually, you only need an atar or just above 98 to boost your ATAR to 99.95 under the 5 bonus points scheme. Yes I am aware it's added to the aggregate which you can even check here. https://www.satac.edu.au/documents/2016_sace-ntcet_uni_agg_atar_conversion_table.pdf

 

[FlyingAce]

Overall UMAT Score: 161
Section One: 55
Section Two: 49
Section Three: 57
Overall Percentile Rank: 69
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 99.95
Preferred University: Flinders/Adelaide
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: School leaver
State: South Australia
Rural: No
ATSI: No
GWS: No
Other Bonuses: No

flinders maybe? :/

 

[Trinhcent]

Okay, for Med: 99.5+/171 means yes to UAdel, UWA, Bond, maaaaybe UNSW if you can squeeze a bit more than 99.5, maybe for Monash, maybe Curtin, probably not for Flinders (99.85+ needed), no for UWS, JMP, UTAS, UQ, USyd, Griffiths. JCU would depend on your written application.

Dent I'm not sure about, but I'd imagine quite a few

Re: dentistry - historically the UMAT cutoffs for a school that offers both medicine and dentistry differ around 15-20 points or so (dentistry being lower) - this was back when Adelaide had more dental school places and UWA was an undergraduate medical and dental school.

However as there are now more dental schools which don't even use the UMAT (JCU, Griffith, CSU, La Trobe) than which do (Adelaide, UQ, and the significant changes with dentistry numbers at the Adelaide medical school, it's rather hard to predict nowadays what the UMAT will be. UQ's dentistry cutoff I think has stayed at a somewhat stable high 170's (177/178) in the last few years, while the Adelaide UMAT scores for interview went way up with the move to the new RAH.



There are definitely second round Adelaide medicine interviews, for the record, but you can only be invited to one of the rounds.

Thankyou all for replying!

 

[rwe]

Does anyone know when interviews for UNSW would be given out for uni students? Since i imagine we wouldnt get any early interviews as our marks come out early december? Also does anyone know what a 6.8 and 7.0 gpa would transfer to in regards to atar equiavlent or any approximation?

 

[Mana]

Does anyone know when interviews for UNSW would be given out for uni students? Since i imagine we wouldnt get any early interviews as our marks come out early december? Also does anyone know what a 6.8 and 7.0 gpa would transfer to in regards to atar equiavlent or any approximation?

If you are a year 12 applicant then to apply to UNSW your school will have given you a predicted ATAR on the form before this form was sent to them.

First round interviews will be given out based on the combined ranking of the UMAT and your predicted ATAR. However, this is for the purposes of saving UNSW and the applicants from interviewing later - predicted ATAR plays no role in the final ranking, only the actual ATAR.

If it turns out that your predicted ATAR is lower than your actual ATAR and as a result you do then become eligible for interview then you will get a second round interview.

I believe that UNSW interviews will be rather late this year owing to the fact that applications for UNSW medicine ARE STILL OPEN until the 29th of September (i.e. interview offers are at the very earliest in October).

In past years the UNSW interview offers would already have come out by this date and interviews would have been in a month's time or so.

A 7.0 GPA is the equivalent of a 99.95.
A 6.8 GPA is the equivalent of a 99.5 or so.