[Undergrad] UMAT 2017 Results Discussion

[DrDrLMG!]

Overall UMAT Score: 161
Section One: 55
Section Two: 49
Section Three: 57
Overall Percentile Rank: 69
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 99.95
Preferred University: Flinders/Adelaide
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: School leaver
State: South Australia
Rural: No
ATSI: No
GWS: No
Other Bonuses: No

flinders maybe? :/

Flinders, yes. Second round interview (maybe) at UAdel when your ATAR is confirmed. But also, Griffiths, USyd, UMelb, and UWA.

ETA: Answered this without realising... ACE!! Woot!! Well done!

 

[rwe]

Mana I mean im a first year uni student and i got an atar of 99.50 already but with a subpar umat (83%) im wondering whether i can get an interview to unsw by boosting atar equivalent up with a really high gpa like 6.8-7.0 (or will a 7.0 gpa not exceed 99.5?). And do all university students only get interviews during 2nd round as if im not mistaken early round interviews are only given to current year 12s?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Mana I mean im a first year uni student and i got an atar of 99.50 already but with a subpar umat (83%) im wondering whether i can get an interview to unsw by boosting atar equivalent up with a really high gpa like 6.8-7.0 (or if a 7.0 gpa wont exceed 99.5 equivalent). And do all university students only get interviews during 2nd round as if im not mistaken early round interviews are only given to current year 12s?

Hello, I'll try and answer in Mana's temporary absence. If you can get a 7.0 GPA, then yes, you can slightly boost your academic score (ATAR/GPA combo). That said, with a UMAT of 171, you need a corresponding academic score of 99.5 for an interview, so you might be okay, regardless. Boosting your GPA, even just slightly, would be beneficial though and give you some extra wriggle room (slight) with your interview (ETA: plus guarantee you the interview in the first place, as I'm basing that 171 off last year's scores, it may shift slightly, we have no idea).



Edit by Mana:
A 7.0 GPA will boost your atar of 99.5 to 99.7ish or so. There isn't any combination of ATAR and GPA which will raise your total to 99.95, but given that it's not a linear stepwise scale but in fact a conglomeration of z-scores, it is possible that with your 171 raw score you get an interview with a GPA of 7 and ATAR of 99.5.

 

[rwe]

LMG! thanks for the response, on the offchance i do get an interview does that mean i have a fair chance to get in? Last year i got an interview from UNSW but months after i did my interview i found out that i realistically only had like a 20% chance to get in due to low atar/umat. So even if i do receive an interview from UNSW this time around im tempted to lose hope anyways :/

 

[Bilbo_Baggins]

Overall UMAT Score: 156
Section One: 50
Section Two: 51
Section Three: 54
Overall Percentile Rank: 61
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 6.5 GPA
Preferred University: JMP
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: Non-standard
State: NSW
Rural: Yes, RA2
ATSI: No
GWS: No
Other Bonuses: No

I know I did terribly in UMAT. Given I did just meet the cut-off for consideration, and am a rural applicant, and my GPA is higher than the "close to credit average" that they have listed, do you guys think I have any slight chance of getting an interview?
Also, do you think it makes a difference if I had studied at UoN or UNE previously?
(I did so much better than this in the practice papers. So disappointed. Congratulations to everyone who did well!)

From: UMAT Results 2016 (ONLY results)

Current first year JMP student with a S1 score of 52 in 2016 UMAT (rural). You're in for a shot!

Overall percentile: 65

Overall score: 159

S1 score: 52

S2 score: 52

S3 score: 56

Did I do a prep course and if so how many hours of total prep did I do: I Did med essentials classes for a few months and a few practice exams.

My ideal uni and course: JMP, hopefully should get an interview hopefully (based on last year) (rural)

 

[Mana]

LMG! thanks for the response, on the offchance i do get an interview does that mean i have a fair chance to get in? Last year i got an interview from UNSW but months after i did my interview i found out that i realistically only had like a 20% chance to get in due to low atar/umat.

If you mean "an equal chance to all the others interviewing" then the answer is no. Those students who have a combination of UMAT and ATAR which are significantly higher than the cutoffs will have a lot more chance at a place owing to the fact that these scores count for 1/3 of the final selection criteria.

Hence, if you only just make the cutoffs, you're fighting an uphill battle against those who comfortably passed them.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

LMG! thanks for the response, on the offchance i do get an interview does that mean i have a fair chance to get in? Last year i got an interview from UNSW but months after i did my interview i found out that i realistically only had like a 20% chance to get in due to low atar/umat. So even if i do receive an interview from UNSW this time around im tempted to lose hope anyways :/

You'd need to ace the interview, that's for sure. But you've had some practice now and know what to expect, so that's helpful. UNSW has a pretty good interview to offer ratio, so compared to lots of other unis, you'd be ahead of the game slightly to start with. To illustrate: UNSW interview about 450 people for 180 spots. JMP interview 700+ for 170 spots.

ETA: also, what Mana said!

 

[MedicHP]

High 70s and 96s must have been via some assisted pathways. I know first hand of a student with 99.0 & 88%ile who got UWA but no Curtin interview.

The student I speak of did not have any assisted pathways. Did your friend get 50 in all 3 sections?

 

[kjz]

Re: dentistry - historically the UMAT cutoffs for a school that offers both medicine and dentistry differ around 15-20 points or so (dentistry being lower) - this was back when Adelaide had more dental school places and UWA was an undergraduate medical and dental school.

However as there are now more dental schools which don't even use the UMAT (JCU, Griffith, CSU, La Trobe) than which do (Adelaide, UQ, and the significant changes with dentistry numbers at the Adelaide medical school, it's rather hard to predict nowadays what the UMAT will be. UQ's dentistry cutoff I think has stayed at a somewhat stable high 170's (177/178) in the last few years, while the Adelaide UMAT scores for interview went way up with the move to the new RAH.



There are definitely second round Adelaide medicine interviews, for the record, but you can only be invited to one of the rounds.

Historically, dentistry is about 5-10 UMAT points lower than medicine (e.g. UQ). CSU uses UMAT only to offer interview and ATAR is used as tie-breaker.

 

[BuzzM8]

How many rural places do UNSW and UWS offer? Is there a rough amount?

 

[Mana]

How many rural places do UNSW and UWS offer? Is there a rough amount?

The rough amount is approximately just under 1/3 of all places available to domestic applicants.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

How many rural places do UNSW and UWS offer? Is there a rough amount?

45/180 at UNSW at last count. 15/110 for UWS (so I've just been told).

 

[ireland.p]

If you are a year 12 applicant then to apply to UNSW your school will have given you a predicted ATAR on the form before this form was sent to them.

First round interviews will be given out based on the combined ranking of the UMAT and your predicted ATAR. However, this is for the purposes of saving UNSW and the applicants from interviewing later - predicted ATAR plays no role in the final ranking, only the actual ATAR.

If it turns out that your predicted ATAR is lower than your actual ATAR and as a result you do then become eligible for interview then you will get a second round interview.

I believe that UNSW interviews will be rather late this year owing to the fact that applications for UNSW medicine ARE STILL OPEN until the 29th of September (i.e. interview offers are at the very earliest in October).

In past years the UNSW interview offers would already have come out by this date and interviews would have been in a month's time or so.

A 7.0 GPA is the equivalent of a 99.95.
A 6.8 GPA is the equivalent of a 99.5 or so.

Sorry to bother you again, but what would a 98.35 ATAR + 6.7 GPA look like?
Edit: 86 WAM

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Sorry to bother you again, but what would a 98.35 ATAR + 6.7 GPA look like?

Your academic score would probably increase a very small amount. 98.35 + whatever proportion of an ATAR equivalent 99.5ish (roughly extrapolated from 6.7) would be used. UNSW may give you a clearer idea of an exact score, if you're desperate to know (but I don't know that for sure).

 

[ireland.p]

Thanks!

Your academic score would probably increase a very small amount. 98.35 + whatever proportion of an ATAR equivalent 99.5ish (roughly extrapolated from 6.7) would be used. UNSW may give you a clearer idea of an exact score, if you're desperate to know (but I don't know that for sure).

ksb

 

[DrDrLMG!]

in regards to this, would you be able to provide any reasoning as to how I would have a chance with AdelUni as i thought a umat of 72 would be too low (assuming i can manage a 99.95)

Not to second guess Mana's reasoning, but I suspect your UMAT is too low for a first round interview (where invites are provided on the basis of UMAT alone - with locals getting a bit of a boost), but you'd get a second round interview (where invites are provided on the basis of actual ATAR).

Maybe...

 

[Mana]

Essentially, a 99.95 ranks you so high on the ATAR merit list that (given it is worth 2x the UMAT) you could use it to offset a UMAT that is a fair way under the cutoff. LMG! has my reasoning spot on here.

 

[A1]

The student I speak of did not have any assisted pathways.

Curtin divided its quota of 60 places into several subquotas. Other than Standard the Rural/Equity/ATSI subquotas are the assisted pathways I meant.

For the 25 Standard places Curtin interviewed about 75 applicants (they stated 3 to 1 ratio). Do you really think that 75 interview spots were enough to extend invites down to all applicants with high 70s UMAT 96 ATAR no assistance? The only way possible would be the high 70s UMAT must have had like 99.90+ to compensate, or the 96 ATAR had close to top UMAT.

 

[skrtskrt101]

Hi LMG,

As per my previous post I got below 50 for s2 (s1-63 and s2-66) and 178 overall (89 percentile). Atar 98-99

I'm just wondering if there is any chance for me to get UQ and Adelaide Bonded (2nd round) interviews?

Also in my UAC preferences should i put UNSW before WSU since New South don't have a focus on s2 whilst WSU does?

Many thanks for the help!

 

[Javajhsbjs16389]

Overall UMAT score: 158
Section One: 46
Section Two: 46
Section Three: 66
Percentile rank: 64th
Actual ATAR: 97.45
Rural: yes
Preferred university: UNSW, Monash, adelaide
Application type: gap year
Course type: medicine
State: NSW

Question: What are my chances?