[Undergrad] UMAT 2017 Results Discussion

[DrDrLMG!]

Only for Monash iirc.

In general the first round for in-state applicants is Nov-Dec, interstate round is late Jan, with the following exceptions:
- Monash all rurals in first round
- JMP first round includes QLD applicants
- Adel no second round
- JCU interstate in 1st round too, 2nd round early Jan for actual ATAR
- UNSW has a mini early Jan round for in-state actual ATAR

(Haha reads like more exceptions than general)

Thanks, A1. I'll be cooling my heels until well after Christmas then...! And presumably only eligible for 2nd round UAC offers, therefore. Thanks again.

ETA: Probably should have just done this beforehand! Serves me right for being lazy...

From the JMP FAQ: The Joint Medical Program Assessment (Multiple Skills Assessment (MSA) and Personal Qualities Assessment (PQA)) for applicants from NSW, Qld, ACT and all rural applicants will be conducted in November and December, at either the University of Newcastle or the University of New England.

Which, if I'm fortunate enough to get interviews at both JMP and WSU, will mean two trips to Sydney. Financially, not great but... two trips to Sydney! #silverlining

 

[A1]

Which, if I'm fortunate enough to get interviews at both JMP and WSU, will mean two trips to Sydney.

You still having doubt getting UTas?!

 

[90thpercentilepls]

What's the chance of getting an offer at monash and unsw as a vic school leaver with umat 96, atar of 98 and seas for financial hardship?

And then what's the chance with an atar of 99?

I know the 2nd will have higher chance but approx numbers would be cool

 

[Siddy]

Slightly off topic, but does it matter how you order bonded/unbonded positions for uni's through uac/qtac/satac etc. Is it better to put one above the other or does it not really matter.

 

[A1]

What's the chance of getting an offer at monash and unsw as a vic school leaver with umat 96, atar of 98 and seas for financial hardship?
And then what's the chance with an atar of 99?

96th with 98.0 : 10% chance UNSW, 20% Monash
with 99.0 : 50% UNSW, 60% Monash

That's without EAS/SEAS, increase your chances accordingly to how much it adds to your ATAR.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

You still having doubt getting UTas?!

Trust (and therefore confidence) is lowwwww! But perfect scenario would be not having to attend UWS interview at all because I already have first round JMP or any round UTAS offer

 

[90thpercentilepls]

96th with 98.0 : 10% chance UNSW, 20% Monash
with 99.0 : 50% UNSW, 60% Monash

That's without EAS/SEAS, increase your chances accordingly to how much it adds to your ATAR.

Thanks so much A1!

Is it possible to know how much my ATAR increases by EAS/ SEAS? For Monash, I used SEAS Estimate Calculator with disadvantaged financial background as high and difficult circumstances as low. Is this accurate for med? I put in my ATAR range as 98.00-98.95 and the Monash Adjusted ATAR is 99-99+, so my ATAR increases by 1?

How about for ATAR increases for other unis like UNSW, UAdel?

 

[Pirsig]

Trust (and therefore confidence) is lowwwww! But perfect scenario would be not having to attend UWS interview at all because I already have first round JMP or any round UTAS offer

Here's to hoping you get the UTAS offer! One less capable person to compete against for a JMP place .

 

[NDR]

96th with 98.0 : 10% chance UNSW, 20% Monash
with 99.0 : 50% UNSW, 60% Monash

That's without EAS/SEAS, increase your chances accordingly to how much it adds to your ATAR.

How are you doing these calculations? What are my odds with 99th and 98.5 NSW

 

[DrDrLMG!]

I have a lengthy conversation with the UQ medicine enrolment office. That is when they informed me this.
Regarding the second round offers the enrolment office told me this. After 23rd January they will be offering empty spaces and this will continue till the second week of Feb. Can anyone verify these info please .

Well, examining the (admittedly limited in the grand scheme of things, but still pretty useful) data we collected here at MSO last year: there are two people who got offers with UMATs of 185 (raw), one got a bonded offer, and one got an unbonded offer. Assuming this data has been correctly reported, then it is possible that unbonded offers dropped as low as 185 at some point (despite the published cut off being 186 in the UQ table). You could therefore also extrapolate that bonded offers dropped very, very slightly, too, but that is based only on the reasoning presented above and data that I haven't personally verified.

Also, it should be noted that the way in which Universities calculate scores can be different to how we do, because they are given more decimal points to work with than we are on our results page. So it's ALSO possible that the people presenting their scores above have a different understanding of the score UQ have used to offer them their positions. A1, can you confirm that I'm correct in this thinking? Or would the extra decimal places not come into play in this manner?

 

[90thpercentilepls]

For preferences, do we list them in the order that we want them not based on our likelihoods of getting in? Not sure if it's different for med?

And am I correct in assuming that EAS/ SEAS has no impact on Griffith/ Flinders?

 

[A1]

Is it possible to know how much my ATAR increases by EAS/ SEAS?

Sorry I haven't spent enough time learning how EAS/SEAS works. Perhaps someone can help?

How are you doing these calculations? What are my odds with 99th and 98.5 NSW

I posted this yesterday > UMAT 2017 Results Discussion
The rule-of-thumb formula I use for UNSW is
99.0 + 90%ile = 10% chance
99.0 + 95%ile = 50%
99.5 + 90%ile = 50%
99.9 + 85%ile = 50%
99.9 + 99%ile = 90%

So 98.5 + 99th looks like around 30-40% chance.

 

[Brownie]

Has anyone completed their QTAC application? I just completed mine and realised I didn't have to provide my UMAT number anywhere, whereas for all the other applications I had to.

Did I miss that bit in completing the application or do we need to provide that at a later stage? Can someone please clarify, because I am heavily relying on my UQ chances.

Thank heaps

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Has anyone completed their QTAC application? I just completed mine and realised I didn't have to provide my UMAT number anywhere, whereas for all the other applications I had to.

Did I miss that bit in completing the application or do we need to provide that at a later stage? Can someone please clarify, because I am heavily relying on my UQ chances.

Thank heaps

I've heard others also ask this question re. QTAC. Yes, it appears you do not have to supply your UMAT ID during the QTAC application. Dr.Potato, anything else you can add?

 

[A1]

For preferences, do we list them in the order that we want them

This^

not based on our likelihoods of getting in?

Likelihoods only come into play if you run out of pref slots need to decide which to omit.

And am I correct in assuming that EAS/ SEAS has no impact on Griffith/ Flinders?

I think Griffith doesn't give EAS but Flinders does, google SATAC UES.

 

[Brownie]

Thank you LMG and others in this forum. I have learnt a lot through this forum.

 

[A1]

Well, examining the (admittedly limited in the grand scheme of things, but still pretty useful) data we collected here at MSO last year: there are two people who got offers with UMATs of 185 (raw), one got a bonded offer, and one got an unbonded offer. Assuming this data has been correctly reported, then it is possible that unbonded offers dropped as low as 185 at some point (despite the published cut off being 186 in the UQ table). You could therefore also extrapolate that bonded offers dropped very, very slightly, too, but that is based only on the reasoning presented above and data that I haven't personally verified.

Also, it should be noted that the way in which Universities calculate scores can be different to how we do, because they are given more decimal points to work with than we are on our results page. So it's ALSO possible that the people presenting their scores above have a different understanding of the score UQ have used to offer them their positions. A1, can you confirm that I'm correct in this thinking? Or would the extra decimal places not come into play in this manner?

This is quite complicated so bear with me going into details. For peculiar reasons UQ uses total of the three apparent section scores, not the ACER-provided Overall score (the latter would be more accurate as it accounts for section score's decimal rounding, but UQ doesn't care).

From this I suspect the MSO-reported 185 ACER overall could be 186 in UQ's way, matching UQ's published number.

One more reason I believe so is this - if we think the 185 unbonded was a 2nd round offer thus lower than published, it doesn't make sense because that 185 would have got a bonded offer first and UQ is on record saying they do not upgrade bonded offers to unbonded.

 

[gm4475]

Overall UMAT Score: 183
Section One: 50
Section Two: 73
Section Three: 59
Overall Percentile Rank: 93
Estimated ATAR/GPA: 97+
Preferred University: Monash
Course Type: Medicine
Application type: school leaver
State: VIC
Rural: YES
ATSI: NO
GWS: NO
Other Bonuses: NO

Question/s: Wondering what ATAR will be roughly required for med at Monash and if this UMAT will be ok?

Also what sort of impact does rural have on the atar requirement?

Thank you!

 

[90thpercentilepls]

Thanks as always A1!

If it's not too personal, how did you choose your bachelor's degree (if that's what it's called) for UWA? Or did you go through the High Achievement pathway or another pathway? Just curious about what the UWA website means by "Opportunities are available for students from High Achievement, Broadway, Rural and Indigenous entry paths to apply for a Direct Pathway place (different from bachelor's + doctorate?) to the Doctor of Medicine (places are limited). " Sorry, wasn't sure where to post this since it's not related to UMAT and not a quick question either...

And would you recommend applying everywhere even if I have no chance unless cutoffs decrease?

 

[Harry Warren]

This is quite complicated so bear with me going into details. For peculiar reasons UQ uses total of the three apparent section scores, not the ACER-provided Overall score (the latter would be more accurate as it accounts for section score's decimal rounding, but UQ doesn't care).

From this I suspect the MSO-reported 185 ACER overall could be 186 in UQ's way, matching UQ's published number.

One more reason I believe so is this - if we think the 185 unbonded was a 2nd round offer thus lower than published, it doesn't make sense because that 185 would have got a bonded offer first and UQ is on record saying they do not upgrade bonded offers to unbonded.

Here's what they said to me last year:

"The Overall score is an unweighted aggregate of the three construct scores statistically calculated from several decimal places.
As an institution, we are not provided with any finer grain detail of your score (i.e. decimal places) and as such we calculate the aggregate of the section results provided. This is a consistent approach across all applicants and across all program at UQ that use the UMAT test as a differentiator in competitive selection."

Apparently they don't even get the ACER score. Is this the case with all unis or just UQ? I thought UNSW considers the overall score?