Admissions Centres Preferencing: General Discussion

[Nonstandard983]

On this note I like to explain a little more for general info.

Let's say UNSW has 150 non-rural places to offer. It doesn't necessarily mean you must rank 1st to 150th to get an offer. It could happen 30 of the UNSW's top 150 have pref'ed WSU higher (for its 5yr course) and they also qualify for WSU. UAC deliberately will not give them both offers, instead UAC only offers them WSU and allocates "their" 30 UNSW places to UNSW's 151st to 180th.

Place yourself in the position of those 151st to 180th, would you rather UAC does that so you get a UNSW offer, or UAC offers both to these dual-qualifiers and leaves you hanging?

Well if the 150 people were sane and wanted to live in Sydney you would assume that all of them would preference WSU higher

 

[A1]

Well if the 150 people were sane and wanted to live in Sydney you would assume that all of them would preference WSU higher

You only think so coz you're from WA
People pref UNSW higher exactly because they want to live in Sydney. WSU is foreign-country Campbelltown.

 

[Nonstandard983]

You only think so coz you're from WA
People pref UNSW higher exactly because they want to live in Sydney. WSU is foreign-country Campbelltown.

I actually was posted to Sydney for a couple years when I was in the ADF and your right part of my duties involved patrolling the Campbelltown/Sydney border

In all reality though it’s a 40 minute drive from Sydney CBD along the M5 motorway not quite as bad as an extra year of study but hey let everyone personally make UNSW $11000 richer

A1 adds:

not quite as bad as an extra year of study but hey let everyone personally make UNSW $11000 richer

You couldn't be more wrong, the extra year makes UNSW $99,000 poorer
> Discussion: Medical Education as an Investment

 

[A1]

So, what would the final 'plan' be for someone who doesn't want a bonded place, and prefers UNSW over WSU? Is there no way to avoid the 'risk' of being offered a UNSW BMP over WSU CSP in Jan Round 2?

We discussed this at length last month, couldn't any good solution.
One way you can avoid UNSW BMP over WSU CSP is to indicate in your UNSW direct application you only want UNSW CSP. But this has two downsides:
- If you qualify for UNSW BMP + WSU BMP you get WSU instead of UNSW
- If you qualify for UNSW BMP + nothing WSU you end up with no offer.

 

[Lawso]

Wouldn't Wagga CSP be preferable to UNE bonded, which is what you likely would get if JMP had a round2?

True true, although i was just throwing that out there haha

 

[Lawso]

I just had a look through, one of the information evenings from 2021, say that offers are given out "on a competitive basis, if theres x amount of unbonded places, we will give them out to the top x amount of applicants". Which seems like they value a CSP > campus preference? Unless ive interpreted it incorrectly.


about at 35:20

 

[A1]

Which seems like they value a CSP > campus preference? Unless ive interpreted it incorrectly.

That^ was what I thought too, but since then I've seen a person reporting CSP offer at un-preferred Port. Makes me think out of ~100 non-rural CSPs UNSW presets Kensington with say 80, Port 10, Wagga 10. Thus if you rank 85th for example you get Port CSP and what's said in the video is still true.

EtA: Previously I thought since UNSW has more Kensington seats than CSPs, if you rank 85th you'd not only get CSP but also Kensington. This would make Port/Wagga full of BMPs. But apparently not so.

 

[Lawso]

That^ was what I thought too, but since then I've seen a person reporting CSP offer at un-preferred Port. Makes me think out of ~100 non-rural CSPs UNSW presets Kensington with say 80, Port 10, Wagga 10. Thus if you rank 85th for example you get Port CSP and what's said in the video is still true.

EtA: Previously I thought since UNSW has more Kensington seats than CSPs, if you rank 85th you'd not only get CSP but also Kensington. This would make Port/Wagga full of BMPs. But apparently not so.

So then they reckon that a person would rather Wagga/Port CSP over a Kensington BMP, i reckon thats fair enough, if the person ticked it, that is a reasonable assumption to make by UNSW.

 

[cocodreams]

Hello, in the interview invite email from JMP, it mentioned this:

You are reminded that to be eligible for consideration for entry to the Joint Medical Program in 2022 you are required to have lodged a UAC application, including the Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine – Joint Medical Program (UAC Code 785000) among your preferences by 1 December 2021. Any change of preference after this date to include Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine – Joint Medical Program to your UAC preferences for the first time will not be considered

Does this bolded part mean that we cannot ADD the preference or is it about making no changes in the order of preference?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Any change of preference after this date to include Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine – Joint Medical Program to your UAC preferences for the first time will not be considered

Does this bolded part mean that we cannot ADD the preference or is it about making no changes in the order of preference?

I’d say the bolded part (my bolding) means you can’t add it in after the 1st and still be considered, it has to be there, somewhere, by that point.

 

[SLP]

With regards to the NSW universities for medicine interviews, I received an JMP invite but didn't receive a JPM invite (and probably won't be anticipating a top-up invite due to my low weighted score). So would it be wise to preference JMP as first on my UAC application as I believe this would be my best chance of scoring a medicine offer (given that my interview performance is competitive) or would I be better to preference UNSW first (which I am confident getting an interview invite for but not confident about an offer as my ATAR won't be competitive enough)? Thanks

 

[Caffeine]

With regards to the NSW universities for medicine interviews, I received an JMP invite but didn't receive a JPM invite (and probably won't be anticipating a top-up invite due to my low weighted score). So would it be wise to preference JMP as first on my UAC application as I believe this would be my best chance of scoring a medicine offer (given that my interview performance is competitive) or would I be better to preference UNSW first (which I am confident getting an interview invite for but not confident about an offer as my ATAR won't be competitive enough)? Thanks

It shouldn't make a difference. First preferencing doesn't help for offers. If you want unsw the most keep it at first.

 

[dotwingz]

yeah changing preferences doesnt change how likely is a uni will offer you a spot, its just UAC will automatically accept your highest offer and reject anything lower, so it makes it super efficient to send offers across hundreds of poeple

 

[A1]

or would I be better to preference UNSW first (which I am confident getting an interview invite for but not confident about an offer as my ATAR won't be competitive enough)?

Although as Caffeine said preferencing shouldn't affect whether you get an offer, it does have some effect on CSP vs bonded. Let me explain:

You said it yourself your ATAR/GPA is on the low side for UNSW, I translate that as at best you'd get a bonded. Whereas at JMP it could be CSP or bonded or nothing. Suppose you interview well enough to qualify for UNSW bonded + JMP CSP - placing UNSW higher you get bonded, JMP higher you get CSP.

 

[SLP]

Although as Caffeine said preferencing shouldn't affect whether you get an offer, it does have some effect on CSP vs bonded. Let me explain:

You said it yourself your ATAR/GPA is on the low side for UNSW, I translate that as at best you'd get a bonded. Whereas at JMP it could be CSP or bonded or nothing. Suppose you interview well enough to qualify for UNSW bonded + JMP CSP - placing UNSW higher you get bonded, JMP higher you get CSP.

I'm not too fussed about bonded vs CSP, to be honest. I know people will have different views on it, but I actually like the concept of it and would be more than happy to receive one. So I guess that answers my own question.

 

[dotwingz]

I suggest you read this thread... one of the biggest issues imho with the BMP is that very few people, especially undergrad entrants, know exactly what they're signing up for. The TL;DR for that thread is that rural and metro medicine diverges, if you need to spend 3 years paying off your RoS that puts you on a very different pathway to your peers. Alot of the thread is dribble but I suggest you read it, it's a much bigger decision than it seems.

There always exists the option to pay it off however...

 

[A1]

I'm not too fussed about bonded vs CSP, to be honest. I know people will have different views on it, but I actually like the concept of it and would be more than happy to receive one.

Regardless of the fact you'd be more than happy to receive a bonded offer, the real question is suppose you are given a choice between CSP vs bonded, would you deliberately choose bonded?

If your answer is no you'd not deliberately choose bonded over CSP, you owe it to yourself to pref for CSP possibility.

 

[cocodreams]

I’d say the bolded part (my bolding) means you can’t add it in after the 1st and still be considered, it has to be there, somewhere, by that point.

So I can still change my preference regarding it. So currently it's #2 but I can change it to #1 even after Dec 1?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

So I can still change my preference regarding it. So currently it's #2 but I can change it to #1 even after Dec 1?

Yep, this has always been the case. The only time you can’t is when UAC is locked.

 

[Nonstandard983]

Just to confirm there is no possible way we can preference a CSP over a a BMP