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medsci marks are out! yay

that is ridiculously fast marking

gotta love scantron sheets

the class average is 36.5/58 and the pass rate was like 73%

to people who did medsci last year... is this a similar pass rate to last year or did they make it easier this year? :huh:
 
Hi Guys,

Well (ridiculously) I have spent the last 2+ hours searching the forums for 2 posts where someone summarised lordgarlics thoughts about the weighting of the entry components (GPA, UMAT & interview) explaining why the interview winds up being so important.

Would someone mind confirming my suspicion that because interview categories are equivalent to 8 or 5 or 3 GPA points, this allows for much more variation across the entire calculation than the 0.1 GPA points that often separate candidates??

Cheers
 
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Nealie said:
Hi Guys,

Well (ridiculously) I have spent the last 2+ hours searching the forums for 2 posts where someone summarised lordgarlics thoughts about the weighting of the entry components (GPA, UMAT & interview) explaining why the interview winds up being so important.

Would someone mind confirming my suspicion that because interview categories are equivalent to 8 or 5 or 3 GPA points, this allows for much more variation across the entire calculation than the 0.1 GPA points that often separate candidates??

Cheers
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I don't even know where my posts have gone. It's hard to imagine I'm nearing the end of my 5th year at medical school now. Feel like a right old fart

anyways the interview is important because there is absolutely no variation in the academic GPA. Anyone who is interviewed will have a GPA over 7.5 anyways. So the maximum range is 1.5

In contrast the interview has much more variability in it's range. It's changed however from the old auto in/8/5/3/auto out system. Currently I believe you are marked out of 10 by both examiners and then this is added to an algorithm that includes GPA. If you think about it, excluding 0 and 10, there is still a large amount of variability between 1-9 that you can get. The combinations are endless and since the interview is not something you can study for, it truly distinguishes candidates.

~LG
 
I don't even know where my posts have gone.
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Oh trust me, they're all still here.... 2+ hours worth of trawling through them qualifies me to say that!!!

Feel like a right old fart
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Compared with some of us, you're in the prime of your neverending youth!!!!!

Thanks for that. I understand what you're saying.
 
Thanks for that lordgarlic you make a lot of sense!

Just out of curiosity how does umat fit into all that? Does the large (?) variability in scores make it too worth more than the 15%?
 
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Thanks for that lordgarlic you make a lot of sense!

Just out of curiosity how does umat fit into all that? Does the large (?) variability in scores make it too worth more than the 15%?
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there umat scores are actualy very boring .Most people are clustered in the middle haha
 
Just out of curiosity how does umat fit into all that? Does the large (?) variability in scores make it too worth more than the 15%?
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If UMAT scores are assigned grade points (as LG says on the first page of this thread) then I think there is little variability. For example most people score an overall average UMAT score of between 50-70. In reality most applicants scores probably have a smaller range than this. So when you line those scores up against grades, you talking a 3pt different across the whole range of UMAT scores - like this

65-70 B- 4.00
60-64 C+ 3.00
55-60 C 2.00
50-54 C- 1.00
 
Whats the likelihood of being admitted into med at Auckland as a grad with the following scores:
gpa: about 8
umat: 63%
interview: Assume it goes very well (i.e. the top mark after auto entry)
 
qbob said:
Whats the likelihood of being admitted into med at Auckland as a grad with the following scores:
gpa: about 8
umat: 63%
interview: Assume it goes very well (i.e. the top mark after auto entry)
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i hope that umat score is the average and not percentile. if i hear another percentile i'll go beserk
 
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what do you mean percentage? there is no percentage score for UMAT
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lol I think he means percentile. 63 percentile. I'd leave it to the past OLY1's to confirm this, but with a GPA of 8 and no auto entry, I'm sorry to say but chances are quite low.

EDIT: oops thought undergrad entry. My mistake.
 
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Whats the likelihood of being admitted into med at Auckland as a grad with the following scores:
gpa: about 8
umat: 63%
interview: Assume it goes very well (i.e. the top mark after auto entry)
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If you haven't already, go check out the grad forum & go to page 2 to find a couple of threads where I've asked previous grads about their results & whether they gained entry. I've got more results to add to that too.

You've got a fairly decent chance if you keep your GPA at around 8 & do well in the interview. Last year there were grads with GPA's as low as 7.2 right up to 8.9 that got in. So it's a big range of GPA's & it's hard to know what the average GPA's in your cohort will be or how the group do in their interviews overall.
Best of luck.
 
So does anyone know what the grading system is for the RAW overall mark?? (not the percentile)

2 points difference in that overall thing seems to have a huge effect on the percentile..

what percentage out of 15% is 58 (85 percentile) for the final medschool entry system? and is this adequate? thank you
 
Okay take a breath people!!! What lord garlic is it? posted was relevant at the time of the post, and i think he intended it as a rough guide line. by no means is that how the university scores UMAT. the university refuses to divulge how they score UMAT, so if you are hoping for the answer of what percentage it adds up to you aint gona get one. what is important to realize is that UMAT is not given a large weighting at the univeristy of auckland, it is very different in comparison to the australian universities in this regard. A high UMAT is most certainly unnecessary in Auckland unless you have a weak GPA (7.5 core etc) then it would definately be in your best interests to score as highly as possible. Don't stress too much about UMAT if you have done great fantastic, if not don't stress. Just focus on getting a good medsci grade and keeping your average up across your 8 papers above 7.0

just for the record i know somebody with a umat in the 20% percentile who is in med and very able. and personally UMAT was not my strong point, i only got 68% actually worse than when i sat it in 7th form (my gpa was 8.75).

the interview will be the make or break provided you get one that is. so try not to stress too much, it will just make you miserable, and the year will go a whole lot slower (i know how difficult that is however, i've been there and done that! and its so hard when you know how much you want it)

All the best
 
Jennyette said:
So does anyone know what the grading system is for the RAW overall mark?? (not the percentile)

2 points difference in that overall thing seems to have a huge effect on the percentile..

what percentage out of 15% is 58 (85 percentile) for the final medschool entry system? and is this adequate? thank you
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Hiya Jennyette,

you won't get a straight answer to this question from anybody, because the reality is nobody in med knows the answer because they never divulge it. what is important to realise is the university has been reducing the importance of UMAT consistently over the years. They are currently conducting and infaculty study, trying to correlate UMAT grades with successes as a junior doctor. Many in the faculty do not believe that UMAT is a good measure at all of ones ability to succeed in medicine. i personally share this belief. 85% would be a perfectly adequate UMAT grade in fact that is a verry good umat score, you should be happy and proud of that mark.

good luck
 
Nealie said:
If UMAT scores are assigned grade points (as LG says on the first page of this thread) then I think there is little variability. For example most people score an overall average UMAT score of between 50-70. In reality most applicants scores probably have a smaller range than this. So when you line those scores up against grades, you talking a 3pt different across the whole range of UMAT scores - like this

65-70 B- 4.00
60-64 C+ 3.00
55-60 C 2.00
50-54 C- 1.00
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I would be very careful believing this. Remember the university DOES NOT divulge how they score UMAT. and it is a small component of the ranking. cheers
 
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