Auckland OLY1 chat - archive

[ihateumat!]

Whats the likelihood of being admitted into med at Auckland as a grad with the following scores:
gpa: about 8
umat: 63%
interview: Assume it goes very well (i.e. the top mark after auto entry)

Hiya,

I'm not quite sure about graduate entry, i personally did OLY1 with umat 63% but my GPA was 8.75

Having said that, grad GPA's are typically lower, because the course work certainly gets more difficult in 2nd and 3rd year and it's easier to sacrafice your life pretty much lol to try get a perfect GPA in 1 year, not so easy over 3. I'd say you definately have a pretty good chance. As i said though i'm not totally sure on graduate marks, i have a lot of post grad freinds but i have never asked their GPAs.. lol.

I would hope tho that you would get an interview with those scores, and blow them away in the interview. Remember if you are at all interested there are a lot of australian universities that you can apply to as a graduate student as well if that's something you would be willing to consider.

all the best!!

 

[lordgarlic]

I would be very careful believing this. Remember the university DOES NOT divulge how they score UMAT. and it is a small component of the ranking. cheers

This was actually explained to us when I was OLY1. I emailed the rankings people to ask so I'm pretty sure it's still the case.

Of course seeing as I know the admissions team really well from helping out at promoting medicine things for the university I could always ask again haha

 

[lordgarlic]

I also should emphasis that auckland uses the AVERAGE of your 3 scaled marks. NOT PERCENTILES

 

[Nealie]

Okay take a breath people!!!

I'm pretty sure everyone is breathing just fine????

by no means is that how the university scores UMAT. the university refuses to divulge how they score UMAT

You can't have it both ways......either that is by no means the way they do it, or you, like you claim the rest of us, have no idea how they do it......:huh:

A high UMAT is most certainly unnecessary in Auckland unless you have a weak GPA

This is a huge generalisation. I would argue the opposite is probably true for undergrads. So many go into the process with similarly high GPA's & many do reasonably well or very well in their interviews. It's unfortuate, but a 15% UMAT weighting probably breaks what would otherwise be a stack of 10 way ties.....

And for grads (& we've had a couple on this thread asking questions [rightly or wrongly]) your quoted comment is even less applicable.

I'm sorry mate, but with the user name 'ihateumat', you're not really in a position to tell all us 'plebs' to be taking a breath the day the UMAT results are released.....just a thought for your consideration.


LG - I dare ya....ask!!!

 

[lordgarlic]

A high UMAT helps in the selection process if you can get your score up above 65-70. That usually places you in the 96th percentile + overall which will help your chances.

Generally the bulk of the students doing well in their GPA perform well in the interview. You may ask why? aren't they all nerds?

The reality is the bulk of the high achieving students that get into medicine are also very sociable creatures (true there are some that I've seen come in over the last few years where I think WTF?; but the majority are all extremely social and allrounded).

I haven't got the time to go in and ask people things at the moment. I'm out West on rotation and have examinations in 3 weeks so I'm in a slightly paranoid OMG mode at the moment.

I believe graduates also have their own quota of places now, but don't quote me on that

 

[4everAlone]

We got told by the admission person at the start of the year that of the 120 or so general places, 2/3 go to undergrads and 1/3 go to postgrads

 

[dip]

So does anyone know what the grading system is for the RAW overall mark?? (not the percentile)

2 points difference in that overall thing seems to have a huge effect on the percentile..

what percentage out of 15% is 58 (85 percentile) for the final medschool entry system? and is this adequate? thank you

That is definitely good enough to get into med. People in my class have much lower scores, and some have higher scores. Interview and GPA is all you have to worry about now.

 

[ihateumat!]

I'm pretty sure everyone is breathing just fine????



You can't have it both ways......either that is by no means the way they do it, or you, like you claim the rest of us, have no idea how they do it......:huh:

This is a huge generalisation. I would argue the opposite is probably true for undergrads. So many go into the process with similarly high GPA's & many do reasonably well or very well in their interviews. It's unfortuate, but a 15% UMAT weighting probably breaks what would otherwise be a stack of 10 way ties.....

And for grads (& we've had a couple on this thread asking questions [rightly or wrongly]) your quoted comment is even less applicable.

I'm sorry mate, but with the user name 'ihateumat', you're not really in a position to tell all us 'plebs' to be taking a breath the day the UMAT results are released.....just a thought for your consideration.


LG - I dare ya....ask!!!

In reply to your post i think you should take a moment to consider that those of us on here posting back to you guys are already in medicine. it is not in our interests at all to post back, we too have very busy schedules ourselves, the only reason i'm doing so is i remember how tough OLY1 is and how many rumors go around that really do your head in, so in all honesty your abruptness is a bit harsh in my mind... just a word of advice being rude to those in other years isn't highly recommended. medicine as cheesy as it sounds really is a bit of a family, and you come to become really good friends with the years above you. And i have never referred to you as "pleebs". nor do i think that at all, i have many friends doing OLY1 currently who took gap years last year, and i certainly do not think of them as "pleebs", i remember how difficult that year was only too well, hence posting on here to try help you guys out, not make you feel inferior. Apologies if the "breathe" came across as sarcastic, hence the issue with the internet tone does not translate terribly well.

All i am trying to reiterate is to those people who umat has not gone terribly well for to not stress and give up hope on medicine, like a lot of people seem to do. By no means am i suggesting that UMAT does not count at all, it does, everything does, obviously ideally you want to score as highly as possible in everything. All i am saying is that marks and the interview are really crucial. No point in crying over spilt milk if umat didn't go terribly well for you. The university has stressed that umat is a small component of the marking. In 2010 the dean of admissions stated that they would not comment further on the marking scheme other than the fact that the raw scores are used not percentiles and that similar marks are grouped together into bands. what i have an issue with is the C- B+ etc correlation with scores, i really don't believe this is how its done and i personally feel that that leads to an underestimation of the scores. this is my only opinion. the reason i posted that is i was worried that people would see that and panic comparing their scores and stressing about maybe haivng a low B etc etc. Umat really isnt worth giving another thought at this point, just focus on remaining marks and interview

and with reference to the username, i'm highly unoriginal when it comes to user names, and no i don't disguise the fact that i am of the belief that uamt scores don't correlate at all well to success further down the track in medicine. so thank you for your comments, apologies if the tone was misinterpreted. however i mean no sarcasm at all, and i certainly do not intend to be patronising. my comments were merely trying to help out you guys. so sincerest apologies. will refrain from further posts

 

[ihateumat!]

We got told by the admission person at the start of the year that of the 120 or so general places, 2/3 go to undergrads and 1/3 go to postgrads

yes that is correct. it seems like a lot to go to graduate, but rest assured it creates a really nice mix in the year and works quite well. its always hard to see the numbers of general undergrad places being eaten up by other places tho if that's what you're applying for! good luck!

 

[hamlock]

Oh ihateumat, don't be like that. I'm sure Nealie didn't mean it that way. You've been more helpful than any of us 2nd years who still post here and your posts go into much more detail than I would ever bother to =)

Anyway, UMAT is out, and there's not much one can do to change it beyond a recount. If you feel a strong passion for medicine, keep up your hard work at 142. Don't think so much about the interview if you've finished your MH03 until you get accepted.

 

[Scheppes]

some great posts...im just wondering if you do HSFY, can you still apply undergrad anywere in aus with the ATAR score and 2011 UMAT, my 2010 umat got messed up ehh..

 

[hi49hi]

umat

for auckland uni,do they have a special weighing system for each sections luke section 1,2,3 similar to otago? or is it just straight up avg raw score? im just wondering because i got good in sect1,3 but nt so good sect 2 but ended with 97% and 64 raw score. would this be enough for auck med?

thanks in advance

 

[Cloud]

Well i'm glad UMAT doesn't count for much in the end

thank you very much ihateumat for your insightful advice

 

[dip]

for auckland uni,do they have a special weighing system for each sections luke section 1,2,3 similar to otago? or is it just straight up avg raw score? im just wondering because i got good in sect1,3 but nt so good sect 2 but ended with 97% and 64 raw score. would this be enough for auck med?

thanks in advance

Oooh, sorry mate. I think if you had got 70 raw score you would have an ok chance... but 64? No way We all got at least 100%

No, they don't use a special weighting system. Yes, that is a perfect mark.

 

[Nealie]

ihateumat - C'mon..... the tone of my mssg was a bit cheeky, but certainly not intentioned to be harsh.

I too get a little tired of the misinformation, which I think is what I was highlighting in your post. Of course I agree that no one here can know for sure what the deal is, so in that regard I thought some of your statements were very strong, if not, at times, misleading.

Also, FWIW, I personally think comments like, 'take a breath' and that sort of stuff DO sound a little patronising/condescending. No one is freaking out, just probing around for a little more information is all. A totally transparent process would be ideal & I can't for the life of me work out why the university doesn't support this idea, but until then, I think kicking around ideas about how it works just helps already nervous people pass the time & feel as though they have someone to chat to. On that note my advice to you would be to continue posting if you enjoy it. Everyone has something to add & I am sure your contributions here are appreciated & that you also will continue to grow & learn in your chosen profession from others on the board.

Anyhow, there's no angst here & never was & thanks to yourself and others who add what you can to the info floating around here.

 

[Nealie]

In 2010 the dean of admissions stated that they would not comment further on the marking scheme other than the fact that the raw scores are used not percentiles and that similar marks are grouped together into bands. what i have an issue with is the C- B+ etc correlation with scores, i really don't believe this is how its done and i personally feel that that leads to an underestimation of the scores. this is my only opinion. the reason i posted that is i was worried that people would see that and panic comparing their scores and stressing about maybe haivng a low B etc etc. Umat really isnt worth giving another thought at this point, just focus on remaining marks and interview

Just out of interest (if you're prepared to comment further) - how do you see what the dean said about similar UMAT marks being grouped together into bands & Lord Garlics info about assigning similar UMAT marks to a grade banding as much different? To me, it sounds like the same thing, no?? (bearing in mind, of course, that the grade assigned is, itself, totally irrelevant. It's just a system for assigning a number that can be multiplied by 0.15)

 

[olliefoundabeerholder]

...i was freaking out this time last year

 

[Nealie]

...i was freaking out this time last year

heh heh - well, maybe SOME of us are freaking out, just a little......:lols:

 

[hi49hi]

Oooh, sorry mate. I think if you had got 70 raw score you would have an ok chance... but 64? No way We all got at least 100%

No, they don't use a special weighting system. Yes, that is a perfect mark.

you almost scared me with th first part haha so it doesn't matter phew.

thanks lol

 

[Cloud]

We just had our talk about interviews by Dr monigatti(i'm not sure about the spelling)

he said that the interviewers want us to pass and are people who volunteer that wish to play part in selecting the future medical workforce..

that being said, i've heard past stories about interviewers sort of almost 'cornering' the interviewee or is that really just a view brought on by nervousness?

could someone please provide an objective view as to what the interviewers are really like? (just in general.. as in the tone of the interview)

that would be much appreciated!

hope everyone's studying hard

not long till the end