General Medicine Entry Discussion and Advice Requests

[naian616]

Anyone know if USQ, CQU and UQ's provisional entry to medicine program is the same thing or not ?
I have done some research and their minimum ATAR are same. Does it mean that even if I applied to all three programs, my odds of getting into medicine won't increase ?
If I applied all campus location in CQU will I have a greater chance of getting in ?

it does increase, since the groups of people applying to the different programs would be vastly different, the best way to explain this is that uq med would have the most spots available, but would be the most popular choice, but with cqu and usq they have vastly less spots available, but would be drastically less popular choices... you just need to understand what your capabilities and wants are when choosing ur limited preferences available

 

[Ray1_1]

Adding to LMG's reply, this^ can be even worse if you end up getting Wagga Bonded while being *unknowingly* deprived of WSU Unbonded.

Otoh if you were given the option to omit Wagga off UNSW then end up qualified for Wagga and not WSU, you get no offer at all.

For 2-3 years MSO members have asked UAC to provide a solution for this, but every time UAC gave the we-dont-care treatment saying nothing UAC can do. (Of course there are ways UAC can help if they truly care).

Hey, so can I just clarify... You are able to get more than one interview offer but if you sit the interviews, you can only get one offer of acceptance in accordance to what your preferences are? Sorry if this seems to be an obvious question, but I just wanted to make sure I have the right idea in mind.

 

[A1]

Hey, so can I just clarify... You are able to get more than one interview offer but if you sit the interviews, you can only get one offer of acceptance in accordance to what your preferences are? Sorry if this seems to be an obvious question, but I just wanted to make sure I have the right idea in mind.

In each TAC you can only get one place offer *per offer round*. The reason is obvious - UAC don't want to give you two NSW spots, they only give your higher pref and give the other to another applicant.

You can play around with trying to get a UNSW offer in round1 then (if it's Bonded Wagga) a WSU offer in round2. But the opposite way (i.e. WSU round1) is not advised - if you happen to qualify for both in round1 and get higher-pref WSU, UNSW will take the view you have declined UNSW and kick you out of round2 consideration. I have written confirmation of this.

 

[DoctorDoDo]

Okay great! Thanks for the advice. I have one last question. I haven't done English (SA local) but I got a (based of past score increases) a 90% UCAT and on track for 99.95 with UES. This should make me likely for fFinders if I do not get Adelaide. My question is if I should even bother applying for interstate universities considering my UCAT is not super high and my ATAR may not be boosted in other states? (Medicine + Dentistry). The only good thing I have is a VR score 790 so maybe I have a chance at WSU but like I said I have not done English.

 

[A1]

VR score 790 so maybe I have a chance at WSU but like I said I have not done English.

The three NSW med schools UNSW WSU JMP don't formally require English prereq, only "Assumed" and completing Y12 here you are assumed.

So WSU is worth a try, might as well include the other two no extra cost.

 

[Lightweaver]

Anyone know if USQ, CQU and UQ's provisional entry to medicine program is the same thing or not ?
I have done some research and their minimum ATAR are same. Does it mean that even if I applied to all three programs, my odds of getting into medicine won't increase ?
If I applied all campus location in CQU will I have a greater chance of getting in ?

Hi, here's my understanding of it (someone please correct me if I'm wrong):

Each uni has its own amount of places - if you apply to all three - you are applying to a greater amount of places than if you don't (the problem is that VTAC has like 12 different program codes but you only have 6 preferences). Each uni's pool of applicants is slightly different, so although they all have the same ATAR threshold, one might be more difficult to get into than the other if it's more popular or if it has fewer places (I'm not from QLD so I don't know the specific state of affairs there). Also, each CQU Campus has its own amount of places - so yeah you have a greater chance of getting in if you put both because you're applying to more places, although the applicant pool is probably similar so they are equally competitive.

• First off, although for UQ, CQU and USQ the minimum ATAR is 95, a competitive ATAR is probably much higher - which you can see in UQ's offers here: 2021 Offers.
  • The exception to this might be USQ, because the program kinda brand new (like it wasn't even confirmed until last month) - look at post below for details. I just looked up the program now and they've put info on their website. Idk how many spots they offer, but this might be an option if ATAR is an issue - your 'odds' of getting in might be higher (although still dependent on amount of places)
• USQ and CQU can kind of be seen as joint programs with UQ in that when you complete their medical science programs with a 5.0 GPA you gain direct entry into UQ's medicine program. But each uni has its own amount of places and campuses. e.g. (for CQU you do undergrad in Rockhampton/Bundaberg then do postgrad in Central QLD or Wide Bay, for USQ you do undergrad in Towoomba then postgrad in Darling Downs South West)

TLDR: They're kind of the same thing, but the 'odds of getting into each are different, but probably similar. Your 'odds' sort of increase the more places you apply. Applying to all CQU Campus locations is better than applying to only one if you want to get into CQU.

Sorry for being vague, it's not something I know a lot about - lmk if anything can be clarified.

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caught this on qtac, this program was meant to start in 2024, but i guess it bumped to 2023 due to the recent news about doctor shortages in qld, and the state gov wanting more doctors as soon as possible is what im thinking??

a very good program for those wanting to do medicine, i can def imagine this course requiring a less competitive score compared to other medical universities, make sure u to use your qtac preferences wisely, (uq med + bmp + jcu med + griffith (nathan/gc/ sunshine) + 2x cqu (rokky + bundy + the bmp) + squ med (+ bmp) = a total of 12 preferences for a medical school pathway....

the mods are gonna have a field trip when giving advice to ppl on how to preference for qtac ha ha

edit, i dont see this course on their actual website (USQ) yet, so i dont know if its official yet, or if qtac made a mistake, or their site is just slow or smthn?

 

[naian616]

Hi, here's my understanding of it (someone please correct me if I'm wrong):

Each uni has its own amount of places - if you apply to all three - you are applying to a greater amount of places than if you don't (the problem is that VTAC has like 12 different program codes but you only have 6 preferences). Each uni's pool of applicants is slightly different, so although they all have the same ATAR threshold, one might be more difficult to get into than the other if it's more popular or if it has fewer places (I'm not from QLD so I don't know the specific state of affairs there). Also, each CQU Campus has its own amount of places - so yeah you have a greater chance of getting in if you put both because you're applying to more places, although the applicant pool is probably similar so they are equally competitive.

• First off, although for UQ, CQU and USQ the minimum ATAR is 95, a competitive ATAR is probably much higher - which you can see in UQ's offers here: 2021 Offers.
  • The exception to this might be USQ, because the program kinda brand new (like it wasn't even confirmed until last month) - look at post below for details. I just looked up the program now and they've put info on their website. Idk how many spots they offer, but this might be an option if ATAR is an issue - your 'odds' of getting in might be higher (although still dependent on amount of places)
• USQ and CQU can kind of be seen as joint programs with UQ in that when you complete their medical science programs with a 5.0 GPA you gain direct entry into UQ's medicine program. But each uni has its own amount of places and campuses. e.g. (for CQU you do undergrad in Rockhampton/Bundaberg then do postgrad in Central QLD or Wide Bay, for USQ you do undergrad in Towoomba then postgrad in Darling Downs South West)

TLDR: They're kind of the same thing, but the 'odds of getting into each are different, but probably similar. Your 'odds' sort of increase the more places you apply. Applying to all CQU Campus locations is better than applying to only one if you want to get into CQU.

Sorry for being vague, it's not something I know a lot about - lmk if anything can be clarified.

pretty much right, squ will be offering around 20 spots, which is the case for 1 campus being affiliated with this joint medical program. Its gonna be interesting how people use their preferences since theres 12 options, but only 6 options available.

 

[AWP]

Hi, here's my understanding of it (someone please correct me if I'm wrong):

Each uni has its own amount of places - if you apply to all three - you are applying to a greater amount of places than if you don't (the problem is that VTAC has like 12 different program codes but you only have 6 preferences). Each uni's pool of applicants is slightly different, so although they all have the same ATAR threshold, one might be more difficult to get into than the other if it's more popular or if it has fewer places (I'm not from QLD so I don't know the specific state of affairs there). Also, each CQU Campus has its own amount of places - so yeah you have a greater chance of getting in if you put both because you're applying to more places, although the applicant pool is probably similar so they are equally competitive.

• First off, although for UQ, CQU and USQ the minimum ATAR is 95, a competitive ATAR is probably much higher - which you can see in UQ's offers here: 2021 Offers.
  • The exception to this might be USQ, because the program kinda brand new (like it wasn't even confirmed until last month) - look at post below for details. I just looked up the program now and they've put info on their website. Idk how many spots they offer, but this might be an option if ATAR is an issue - your 'odds' of getting in might be higher (although still dependent on amount of places)
• USQ and CQU can kind of be seen as joint programs with UQ in that when you complete their medical science programs with a 5.0 GPA you gain direct entry into UQ's medicine program. But each uni has its own amount of places and campuses. e.g. (for CQU you do undergrad in Rockhampton/Bundaberg then do postgrad in Central QLD or Wide Bay, for USQ you do undergrad in Towoomba then postgrad in Darling Downs South West)

TLDR: They're kind of the same thing, but the 'odds of getting into each are different, but probably similar. Your 'odds' sort of increase the more places you apply. Applying to all CQU Campus locations is better than applying to only one if you want to get into CQU.

Sorry for being vague, it's not something I know a lot about - lmk if anything can be clarified.

Thanks. Do CQU and USQ have subject incentive scheme?

 

[naian616]

Thanks. Do CQU and USQ have subject incentive scheme?

yup

 

[Minage]

Hi everyone,

(Sorry if this has been asked before) which universities needed a local application on top of an application through the state's admissions centre? So far, I've got JCU, UNSW and UNE/UoN. Are there any others?

thx.

 

[kancerguy]

Reading from this site and a bunch of other places, it seems that there is no difference in employability or being able to pursue a speciality based on the med school you go to. I've also seen people here say that WSU is better than UNSW even if UNSW sounds nicer, since it's shorter (5y vs 6y).

With those things in mind, is there any reason why people choose to go to places like Usyd over WSU if they take longer to complete? Besides prestige, what major benefits are there?

 

[A1]

With those things in mind, is there any reason why people choose to go to places like Usyd over WSU

USyd being 7-year vs WSU 5-year I would choose WSU. But if USyd unbonded vs WSU bonded it can be a difficult choice.

Between UNSW 6-year vs WSU I would choose unbonded over bonded no matter which school. If they are same then next consideration is which one is easier to commute to. To my parents one year shorter locked into a busy work life one year earlier is not necessarily a big plus.

Also a small factor (which does not matter to many) is country like Singapore only recognises Aus med degrees from Go8 unis

 

[kancerguy]

USyd being 7-year vs WSU 5-year I would choose WSU. But if USyd unbonded vs WSU bonded it can be a difficult choice.

Between UNSW 6-year vs WSU I would choose unbonded over bonded no matter which school. If they are same then next consideration is which one is easier to commute to. To my parents one year shorter locked into a busy work life one year earlier is not necessarily a big plus.

Also a small factor (which does not matter to many) is country like Singapore only recognises Aus med degrees from Go8 unis

Ayy got it man, thanks a lot! That does clear it up more.

 

[speeptime]

USyd being 7-year vs WSU 5-year I would choose WSU. But if USyd unbonded vs WSU bonded it can be a difficult choice.

Between UNSW 6-year vs WSU I would choose unbonded over bonded no matter which school. If they are same then next consideration is which one is easier to commute to. To my parents one year shorter locked into a busy work life one year earlier is not necessarily a big plus.

Also a small factor (which does not matter to many) is country like Singapore only recognises Aus med degrees from Go8 unis

That’s me!! For us Singaporeans, accreditation matters very much HAHA. But to the majority of Australians it doesn’t affect anything

 

[sunnyrain]

Hi.
This is my 3rd time applying through UAC and QTAC (2nd year uni student).
Just wanted to confirm, we start a new application through UAC and QTAC right? As in, we get new pins and application numbers?

 

[JeydinNewWon]

Hi.
This is my 3rd time applying through UAC and QTAC (2nd year uni student).
Just wanted to confirm, we start a new application through UAC and QTAC right? As in, we get new pins and application numbers?

Yes!

 

[MissyCee]

For anyone having difficulties getting into med school due to a learning disability like ADHD, dyslexia, etc etc... I have specific advice for this online. Go to 'pre-medical students with ADHD'... its a group on facebook. Instructions are there. Took me 10 years to get in. Finally got my accommodations in full but it wasn't easy. I want to help others save a lot of time and stress that I had to go through. I'm nearly finished my degree now

 

[Boots]

In each TAC you can only get one place offer *per offer round*. The reason is obvious - UAC don't want to give you two NSW spots, they only give your higher pref and give the other to another applicant.

You can play around with trying to get a UNSW offer in round1 then (if it's Bonded Wagga) a WSU offer in round2. But the opposite way (i.e. WSU round1) is not advised - if you happen to qualify for both in round1 and get higher-pref WSU, UNSW will take the view you have declined UNSW and kick you out of round2 consideration. I have written confirmation of this.

Does the same thing work for Newcastle, ie, getting UNSW offer round 1 and accepting it then putting Newcastle as 1st preference for Jan round 2 and getting an offer with them too so you potentially end up with two offers?
Thanks so much for any help!

 

[A1]

Does the same thing work for Newcastle, ie, getting UNSW offer round 1 and accepting it then putting Newcastle as 1st preference for Jan round 2 and getting an offer with them too so you potentially end up with two offers?
Thanks so much for any help!

I can't say with certainty. Another MSO member said you can, see from this post down
> Admissions Centres Preferencing: General Discussion

 

[Boots]

I can't say with certainty. Another MSO member said you can, see from this post down
> Admissions Centres Preferencing: General Discussion

Sorry, didn't see that post.
Thanks for linking it!