UMAT 2010 thread.

[anonymouse]

You assume too much and the ideas expressed are overly simplistic.

As with any test, if you walk in with an idea of what to expect, then you will fare better. Whether or not prep courses are required is debatable, as most people know what the UMAT entails. If paying for a prep course, with all the practise material collated saves you having to go to the library and find it, and you're willing to pay the price, then why not?

 

[Mana]

I am not saying to walk in unprepared - by all means please do prepare for the UMAT, and if you do a prep course, so be it.

What I am saying is that advertising it is 1. not allowed on here and 2. not in your best interests as an applicant.

 

[anonymouse]

Latter point is unverifiable.

 

[Lozzy]

I think mana means that, if you assume that prep courses do work, then you shouldn't be encouraging other people to do prep courses and thus improve. This is because the umat works on a percentile basis, so people who are getting the same/higher marks than you, will push your percentile down. And considering universities set cutoffs based on percentiles, getting pushed down even one mark, could jeopardize your chance of getting into med. Also, if there was one spot left in a uni, someone's 'improved' umat score (even if it's still lower than yours), could take your spot if they were better than you in the interview. Even though it may be cheaper to work as a group, do you really want the reason for not getting into med to be that the person you recruited improved a lot by using the prep, and ended up taking the last spot?

 

[anonymouse]

I understand the point Mana is making but I think that's a morally ambiguous stance at the least and pretty pathetic imo.

 

[Lozzy]

why do you think its morally ambiguous? There's a financial aspect involved with the price of prep courses, a legal aspect involved with mana deleting the post and reinforcing the rules, and a logical aspect involved by considering the extent to which you really want others to improve, but I don't see how morals comes into it at all..

 

[diametric]

I think liverpool's stance that it is morally ambiguous arises from the fact that trying to get less people to do a prep course so that you have a higher chance of getting a higher UMAT percentile is a bit of a sh*tty thing to do, especially when there are people who wouldn't be able to afford UMAT prep without group discounts.

So do you a) be a nice person and ask around if anyone is interested or b) be as discreet as possible so that less people are prepared for the UMAT, which works in your favour. Which makes it morally ambiguous.

 

[illmatic]

I am not saying to walk in unprepared - by all means please do prepare for the UMAT, and if you do a prep course, so be it.

What I am saying is that advertising it is 1. not allowed on here and 2. not in your best interests as an applicant.

I don't mean to disrespect the MSO authority or anything, but why is discussing UMAT prep courses not allowed on MSO, while its allowed on other forums such as BOS, and paging Dr?

We, as med hopefuls want to know which Prep courses actually work, not to advertise prep courses

 

[Lozzy]

I think liverpool's stance that it is morally ambiguous arises from the fact that trying to get less people to do a prep course so that you have a higher chance of getting a higher UMAT percentile is a bit of a sh*tty thing to do, especially when there are people who wouldn't be able to afford UMAT prep without group discounts.

So do you a) be a nice person and ask around if anyone is interested or b) be as discreet as possible so that less people are prepared for the UMAT, which works in your favour. Which makes it morally ambiguous.

Oh, well if they think that asking around is the right thing to do, then by all means ask around. Just don't do it on mso: it's against the rules. I think mana was just emphasising the fact that asking around may not be in their best interests, it isn't the reason why the post got deleted.

I don't mean to disrespect the MSO authority or anything, but why is discussing UMAT prep courses not allowed on MSO, while its allowed on other forums such as BOS, and paging Dr?

We, as med hopefuls want to know which Prep courses actually work, not to advertise prep courses

I think mso was threatened with litigation by a prep course company (i think they were claiming our discussion was slander), because talk about whether prep courses actually worked resulted in some people saying that it doesn't. And I think they're just on keeping on safe side by disallowing discussion in general, as opposed to trying to draw some kind of line.

 

[shradha]

I am tooo!
btw, if 2 of ur sections are fine, and the third isnt, but it gives u an overall high score, does it matter that your third section wasnt so good?:huh:

 

[LemonTea]

I am tooo!
btw, if 2 of ur sections are fine, and the third isnt, but it gives u an overall high score, does it matter that your third section wasnt so good?:huh:

At most places, it doesn't and they only look at your aggregate score.

There are exceptions though. For UQ provisional entry you need a 50 in each section to be considered. AT UWS the section scores are weighted 2:2:1 so not doing well in S1 or S2 would damage your chances more than not doing well in S3.

 

[Dr.A]

At most places, it doesn't and they only look at your aggregate score.

There are exceptions though. For UQ provisional entry you need a 50 in each section to be considered. AT UWS the section scores are weighted 2:2:1 so not doing well in S1 or S2 would damage your chances more than not doing well in S3.

Flinders also weighs sections doesnt it?

 

[somethingfishy]

Flinders also weighs sections doesnt it?

flinders is an absolute joke, 10% UMAT weighting, might as well not use it.

 

[adomad]

UNSW uses the actual scores for the three test components, not the percentile rank.

so i need to slaughter the UMAT for UNSW?

 

[Havox]

so i need to slaughter the UMAT for UNSW?

You need to slaughter almost everything anyway.

 

[godoftoast]

Hey adomad, i can read that and I am a god.

 

[adomad]

Hey adomad, i can read that and I am a god.

do the next step!

 

[LemonTea]

[OFFTOPIC]The text isn't even the same colour as the forum background.[/OFFTOPIC]

 

[Mana]

[offtopic]Yeah I made that mistake as well for the easter star hunt. if you quote that you can see the hex code for the background colour. [/offtopic]

 

[douseewhatisee]

Hey I'm really slow at section 1 but very accurate, any tips for improvement? Apart from the speed-reading crap... I think it's kind of bs...