UPDATED Dentistry Schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards

[Cal]

Alrighty, makes sense, I’ll contact them tomorrow. Our normal years worth of full time study is 8 courses, but you can take 9 (so 3 courses per term) to fast track your degree. Thanks Cal!

That sounds like you have it all figured out then B) easy semester, just make sure your results get released before like early january so they go to the TACS before offer release

 

[hotdog88]

Some Med unis use whichever is higher of ATAR and GPA (or just straight up ATAR) up until you reach a certain point with regard to tertiary study (some it is 1FTE year, for another it's until you've completed the degree). CSU Dent could do something similar, what was their exact reply to you?

THey just told me I could use whichever was better after i confirmed that I was a 3rd year uni student. Unfortunately no more specifics.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

THey just told me I could use whichever was better after i confirmed that I was a 3rd year uni student. Unfortunately no more specifics.

That seems pretty specific to me. Did you get it in writing? If not, I would.

 

[cocodreams]

If we apply as nonstandard applicants, what are the chances of getting into the bachelor's degree? Are there are a certain amount of spots generally reserved for non standard applicants?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

If we apply as nonstandard applicants, what are the chances of getting into the bachelor's degree? Are there are a certain amount of spots generally reserved for non standard applicants?

No, none of the non-standard unis have quotas for this as far as I am aware.

 

[cocodreams]

No, none of the non-standard unis have quotas for this as far as I am aware.

So would you say it's much more competitive to secure a place as a non standard applicant than a school leaver or really does it just come down to how well you perform?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

It’s no more or less competitive. Everyone is competing for the same set of places.

 

[LeSpicyGinger]

I just noticed this:

 

[dotwingz]

I just noticed this:
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Yeah i believe i saw somewhere around here that Griffith will be introducing an MMI aswell into their dental program for 2022

 

[cjpark1992]

Thank you so much for this information Ddest!!
I am trying to apply to adelaide through higher education entry pathway as i already hold onto my bachelors degree. However, i dont believe that my secondary school atar or bachelors degree gpa would be competitive enough to gain entry. Hence, i am trying to apply to adelaide university to study for 1 semester to meet the prerequisite papers and also gain high gpa. Does anyone know if my GPAs from all the studies i did gets averaged out? or they choose one that has got the highest GPA (If this is the case, i am going to give it a best shot to obtain highest gpa possible during sem 1 and gain goot ucat score). If anyone knows about this please help me ).

Thank you

 

[cocodreams]

So this year I am studying 4 units each semester at Monash and I was thinking of underloading - so doing 3 unit first semester and 4 in the next. I asked UoA and they said their minimum requirement for dentistry is a full time half year study and said I can do 3 courses each sem (something similar). But I am still unsure what they meant cause the uni system tends to differ from Victoria. If I do 3 units, I assume my GPA will not remain as high vs doing 4 units. Since both UoA and CSU sort of indirectly allows me to underload, should I underload? Or should I stick to doing 4 units each sem and possibly get a higher and competitive GPA. I am not sure whether doing 3 units or 4 will make a difference to my GPA.

 

[A1]

So this year I am studying 4 units each semester at Monash and I was thinking of underloading - so doing 3 unit first semester and 4 in the next. I asked UoA and they said their minimum requirement for dentistry is a full time half year study and said I can do 3 courses each sem (something similar). But I am still unsure what they meant cause the uni system tends to differ from Victoria. If I do 3 units, I assume my GPA will not remain as high vs doing 4 units. Since both UoA and CSU sort of indirectly allows me to underload, should I underload? Or should I stick to doing 4 units each sem and possibly get a higher and competitive GPA. I am not sure whether doing 3 units or 4 will make a difference to my GPA.

You need to ask UoA & CSU dent schools whether they go simply on GPA, if yes then doesn't matter whether you do 7 or 8 units.

But I suspect Adelaide Dent use a Selection rank converted from GPA (since uni students & school leavers compete in the same pool?). So you ask SATAC whether they convert < 8-unit GPA to a lower rank, like UAC does.

> Updated selection rank and entry requirements | Search Knowledge Base | Future Students | University of Adelaide
"SATAC uses 'selection rank', not ATAR, when describing entry ranks for degrees. We use the selection rank generated by SATAC because you may be considered on more than just your ATAR. Selection ranks determine how 'competitive' you are relative to other applicants."

 

[dotwingz]

The GPA is the weighted average of all of your completed courses doing 3 or 4 units will not change your GPA.

However, it will mean that the same GPA will convert into a less than favourable selection rank (which makes sense, the same GPA over a longer period of time is more impressive). For CSU this isnt really an issue as the GPA is a hurdle... but for Adelaide where GPA composes part of the final selection it might mean missing out on a place

It would be best to ask Adelaide to clarify if a GPA of less than one FTE would convert less favourable than a GPA of One + FTE

 

[cocodreams]

Thanks for your reply! I'll confirm with SATAC

You need to ask UoA & CSU dent schools whether they go simply on GPA, if yes then doesn't matter whether you do 7 or 8 units.

But I suspect Adelaide Dent use a Selection rank converted from GPA (since uni students & school leavers compete in the same pool?). So you ask SATAC whether they convert < 8-unit GPA to a lower rank, like UAC does.

> Updated selection rank and entry requirements | Search Knowledge Base | Future Students | University of Adelaide
"SATAC uses 'selection rank', not ATAR, when describing entry ranks for degrees. We use the selection rank generated by SATAC because you may be considered on more than just your ATAR. Selection ranks determine how 'competitive' you are relative to other applicants."

 

[cocodreams]

The GPA is the weighted average of all of your completed courses doing 3 or 4 units will not change your GPA.

However, it will mean that the same GPA will convert into a less than favourable selection rank (which makes sense, the same GPA over a longer period of time is more impressive). For CSU this isnt really an issue as the GPA is a hurdle... but for Adelaide where GPA composes part of the final selection it might mean missing out on a place

It would be best to ask Adelaide to clarify if a GPA of less than one FTE would convert less favourable than a GPA of One + FTE

Could you please clarify what FTE is? Full time education? Thanks for your reply

 

[dotwingz]

Oops, meant to say EFTSL: Equivalent Full Time Study Load

Its essentially a measure to compare how many 'years' of equivalent study at uni you have done. At Monash, this is 48 credit points per each year.

 

[cocodreams]

So I contacted UoA and they said that I have to do a min of 4 units throughout the year and whether I do 8 or 7 units throughout the year, it doesn't make a difference to my GPA. So isn't doing part time better for me because I'll be able to manage it better? Or the way I thought it was that doing 4 units means I have more units worth of marks and it'll mean that my GPA will be higher compared to doing 3 units. It doesn't work like that?
I am still a bit suss about it haha

Oops, meant to say EFTSL: Equivalent Full Time Study Load

Its essentially a measure to compare how many 'years' of equivalent study at uni you have done. At Monash, this is 48 credit points per each year.

 

[dotwingz]

Yes it wont make a difference to your GPA, but it will affect how your GPA will be considered.

Like i said before the GPA is just the weighted average of your grades. But uni's will turn GPA's from different durations of study into different selection ranks - which is what they will actually use for entry.

Have a look at this document from UQ for example. You can see that a GPA will convert to different ranks depending on how many semesters of study you do.

E.g. If we look at how a 6.5 GPA will be considered into a selection rank

0.5 semester	1 semester	1.5 semesters	2 semesters (1 year)
85.00	88.00	94.00	99.00

If you did the 4 units throughout the year (e.g. 1 semester EFSTL) a GPA of 6.5 would convert to only an 88, which wouldnt nearly be competitive for entry into Adelaide. This disadvantage by far overcomes any advantage you would have by taking a lower work load.

Considering from A1's post he points out that Adelaide just takes selection ranks from SATAC and then does the caluclations from there... you would be best of emailing SATAC and asking them if a gpa from less than 1 EFSTL would convert less favourably than one from more than 1 EFSTL (i would bet a large amount of money on the answer being a yes)

 

[cocodreams]

Yes it wont make a difference to your GPA, but it will affect how your GPA will be considered.

Like i said before the GPA is just the weighted average of your grades. But uni's will turn GPA's from different durations of study into different selection ranks - which is what they will actually use for entry.

Have a look at this document from UQ for example. You can see that a GPA will convert to different ranks depending on how many semesters of study you do.

E.g. If we look at how a 6.5 GPA will be considered into a selection rank

0.5 semester	1 semester	1.5 semesters	2 semesters (1 year)
85.00	88.00	94.00	99.00

If you did the 4 units throughout the year (e.g. 1 semester EFSTL) a GPA of 6.5 would convert to only an 88, which wouldnt nearly be competitive for entry into Adelaide. This disadvantage by far overcomes any advantage you would have by taking a lower work load.

Considering from A1's post he points out that Adelaide just takes selection ranks from SATAC and then does the caluclations from there... you would be best of emailing SATAC and asking them if a gpa from less than 1 EFSTL would convert less favourably than one from more than 1 EFSTL (i would bet a large amount of money on the answer being a yes)

Okay this makes so much more sense Yeah at the end of day, I was very concerned/curious about how can I going part time make me competitive at all for dentistry etc. I'll email SATAC, but you would say, not only for just UoA but for other unis, it's better to go full time for the entire year to remain competitive?

 

[dotwingz]

I think so yes. It also doesnt delay your graduation, or require the need for summer/winter/overloaded semesters in the future. Also, considering Griffith is also changing their requirements this year and we dont know the specifics, I would say just do full time study.