UQ UQ Medicine: Provisional Entry Questions and Discussion

[dotwingz]

Well it only helps get you past the 99 ATAR hurdle for UQ med/dent - it won’t help with any other med/dent courses.

UQ - UQ Medicine: Provisional Entry Questions and Discussion

I heard there is 2 years internship rather than 1 year after graduating in Uq . Is it true? In terms of the requirement to progress from provisional to full registration with AHPRA it's one year internship. There have been talks about making it two years but nothing official yet. If the State...

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[Crow]

So a 97 atar and a 95th percentile UCAT should give me a spot in UQ med?

It would’ve, but for 2021 entry onwards UQ is now interviewing for provisional entry, so it will only get you an interview now.

ETA: I haven’t checked the criteria for interview selection at UQ so it’s possible it has changed from the previous offer criteria - I recommend you look it up to be sure.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

So a 97 atar and a 95th percentile UCAT should give me a spot in UQ med?

No, it’ll get you an interview for UQ Med.

 

[nb]

UQ - UQ Medicine: Provisional Entry Questions and Discussion

I heard there is 2 years internship rather than 1 year after graduating in Uq . Is it true? In terms of the requirement to progress from provisional to full registration with AHPRA it's one year internship. There have been talks about making it two years but nothing official yet. If the State...

medstudentsonline.com.au

Wow, so this means that for offers, only the ATAR and UCAT score will be used? Or is it that interviews are based off UCAT and then offer is based on interview solely?

 

[dotwingz]

Wow, so this means that for offers, only the ATAR and UCAT score will be used? Or is it that interviews are based off UCAT and then offer is based on interview solely?

If you read through the rest of the thread, the interview is dependent on the ucat only but we dont know how it determines a place.

Given how they treat graduate entry i suspect they might go something like this

50% Interview
25% ATAR
25% UCAT

UQ is pretty good with communication so i would email them and ask

 

[Crow]

UQ - UQ Medicine: Provisional Entry Questions and Discussion

I heard there is 2 years internship rather than 1 year after graduating in Uq . Is it true? In terms of the requirement to progress from provisional to full registration with AHPRA it's one year internship. There have been talks about making it two years but nothing official yet. If the State...

medstudentsonline.com.au

Oh, I never saw this! Good to know - a welcome change in my opinion.

 

[nb]

It has been confirmed!
dotwingz u were right

Now that it is confirmed, I assume that even a 97-98 atar should be sufficient to gain a PLACE offer (so long as one performs well on the interview and UCAT)?By well I mean about 93-94+ on the UCAT...

 

[DrDrLMG!]

It has been confirmed!
dotwingz u were right

Now that it is confirmed, I assume that even a 97-98 atar should be sufficient to gain a PLACE offer (so long as one performs well on the interview and UCAT)?By well I mean about 93-94+ on the UCAT...

When there is an interview as part of the selection process, there are zero guarantees. And in some instances, even performing “well” in an interview isn’t enough. You’re also factoring in a hypothetical UCAT score that doesn’t exist yet (regardless of your practice performance). From here, all you can do is your best at each component; asking for assurances or basing plans on assumptions with several unknowns isn’t helpful.

ETA: There's a reason why we don't open the "what are my chances..." threads until much later in the year...

 

[dotwingz]

It has been confirmed!
dotwingz u were right

Now that it is confirmed, I assume that even a 97-98 atar should be sufficient to gain a PLACE offer (so long as one performs well on the interview and UCAT)?By well I mean about 93-94+ on the UCAT...

Im interested to see what this will mean for ATAR ranges as other combo schools like UNSW or Monash still generally require high ATAR.

Interested to see if UQ will count selection ranks above 100 or would someone with a 96 ATAR + maths C & LOTE max it out.

 

[Crow]

It has been confirmed!
dotwingz u were right

Now that it is confirmed, I assume that even a 97-98 atar should be sufficient to gain a PLACE offer (so long as one performs well on the interview and UCAT)?By well I mean about 93-94+ on the UCAT...

To add to the above - this is the first time this specific selection criteria has been used by UQ - it would be pure speculation by us as to what will be a competitive score.

We don’t know how they will apply the weightings e.g. will they rank each individual criterion in a numbered list like UNSW, will they use z-scores etc. - I know the uncertainty is tough but anyone that gives you an answer to this will purely be speculating unless it’s a member of the admissions team.

 

[dotwingz]

To add to the above - this is the first time this specific selection criteria has been used by UQ - it would be pure speculation by us as to what will be a competitive score.

We don’t know how they will apply the weightings e.g. will they rank each individual criterion in a numbered list like UNSW, will they use z-scores etc. - I know the uncertainty is tough but anyone that gives you an answer to this will purely be speculating unless it’s a member of the admissions team.

UQ employed these weightings for the 2020 graduate intake and i think i read on PagingDr that they werent using z scores, so given the enourmous range of the UCAT i would say thats going to be the real winner here.

Although I would say that they might of realised the errors in this and change it from this year on, also the thread of PD has no verification on it so it could just be a total myth,

 

[Crow]

UQ employed these weightings for the 2020 graduate intake and i think i read on PagingDr that they werent using z scores, so given the enourmous range of the UCAT i would say thats going to be the real winner here.

Although I would say that they might of realised the errors in this and change it from this year on, also the thread of PD has no verification on it so it could just be a total myth,

Exactly right - unless UQ has actually officially said this then it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. They’ve also made changes to their criteria for 2021 graduate entry.

 

[A1]

i think i read on PagingDr that they werent using z scores, so given the enourmous range of the UCAT i would say thats going to be the real winner here.

Even not using z-scores they will have to somehow standardise the relative scales. Otherwise we'd have absurd cases like [99.0+2900]= 2999 is lower than [95.0+2910]= 3005.

 

[dotwingz]

Even not using z-scores they will have to somehow standardise the relative scales. Otherwise we'd have absurd cases like [99.0+2900]= 2999 is lower than [95.0+2910]= 3005.

Yeah i cant really see a way to do this without some kind of z-score. They could put both parameters as some kind of percentage like

[99/99.95 + 2900/3600 = 1.797]

[95/99.95 + 2910/3600 = 1.759]

But then it sorta screws up where you hit the higher percentiles

[99/99.95 + 3000/3600 = 1.823]

[99.95/99.95 + 2960/2600 = 1.822]

 

[ucatboy]

Why about rankings? I reckon they're the fairest, allowing for enough differentiation between applicants but not enough to give any a huge advantage (like z-scores for a 3600 UCAT).

Hypothetical scenario:

500 interviewees, 200 places

Bob's ATAR rank: 134th out of 500
Bob's UCAT rank: 335th out of 500
Bob's interview rank: 175th out of 500

Bob's scaled average rank: (134 × 25%) + (335 × 25%) + (175 × 50%) = 204.75th, narrowing missing out on an offer.

I noticed that the email specifically mentioned "25% on the ATAR" rather than selection rank, which could be intentional or unintentional (the terms ATAR and selection rank are often used interchangeably even though there's a big distinction between them).

 

[Cal]

Why about rankings? I reckon they're the fairest, allowing for enough differentiation between applicants but not enough to give any a huge advantage (like z-scores for a 3600 UCAT).

Hypothetical scenario:

500 interviewees, 200 places

Bob's ATAR rank: 134th out of 500
Bob's UCAT rank: 335th out of 500
Bob's interview rank: 175th out of 500

Bob's scaled average rank: (134 × 25%) + (335 × 25%) + (175 × 50%) = 204.75th, narrowing missing out on an offer.

I noticed that the email specifically mentioned "25% on the ATAR" rather than selection rank, which could be intentional or unintentional (the terms ATAR and selection rank are often used interchangeably even though there's a big distinction between them).

I think the fact that QLD is now an ATAR state will lead to UQ dropping anything to do with a selection rank, and going to an atar ranking for all students, and they will release the cutoffs each year for each course in terms of atar, and I think that they might have purposely done this change for MED in the year atar is used, as they can no longer really offer a cutoff like that.

 

[dotwingz]

Why about rankings? I reckon they're the fairest, allowing for enough differentiation between applicants but not enough to give any a huge advantage (like z-scores for a 3600 UCAT).

Hypothetical scenario:

500 interviewees, 200 places

Bob's ATAR rank: 134th out of 500
Bob's UCAT rank: 335th out of 500
Bob's interview rank: 175th out of 500

Bob's scaled average rank: (134 × 25%) + (335 × 25%) + (175 × 50%) = 204.75th, narrowing missing out on an offer.

I noticed that the email specifically mentioned "25% on the ATAR" rather than selection rank, which could be intentional or unintentional (the terms ATAR and selection rank are often used interchangeably even though there's a big distinction between them).

This actually works quite well, all the benefits of a z score but without the OP 3600 z score carrying you.

Re: the ATAR, given that they use the term adjusted rank instead of ATAR in my initial email makes me thing that it uses the adjusted ATAR.

 

[nb]

I am curious to see whether the subject bonus points will be used to determine the final 'atar' score for the candidates... Or whether they are only used to obtain the hurdle 95.00 and then simply discarded when the atar is used for the place offer.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

I am curious to see whether the subject bonus points will be used to determine the final 'atar' score for the candidates... Or whether they are only used to obtain the hurdle 95.00 and then simply discarded when the atar is used for the place offer.

I’d think they’d have to keep it in play, otherwise the person with 91.00 who gets 4 bonus points to bring them up to 95.00 would be SERIOUSLY behind the 8-ball for offers to the point of making the bonus system largely meaningless, probably.

 

[A1]

Why about rankings?

I like the rankings method too, simple and efficient, except for Monash

Monash scenario:
450 Vic interviewees, 210 places

Bob's ATAR rank: 60th out of 450
Bob's UCAT rank: 90th out of 450
Bob's interview rank: 450th out of 450

Bob's scaled average rank: (60 × 33%) + (90 × 33%) + (450 × 33%) = 200th. Offer assured despite bottom-placed interview, bonded though.