General Medicine Entry Discussion and Advice Requests

[A1]

If that were to continue for this year, what do you think would be the reason for the big increase in intake of candidates? (Not including Curtin which looks to have dropped slightly)

Not counting Bond's 2020 Sept intake for comparison (since there isn't one this year?) 2020 Y1s= 3350, 2021 Y1s= 3500, a net increase of 150 CSP places.

Mostly attributed to USyd +80, JCU +40, CSU +43, JMP +14 (offset by UMelb -20). Looks like the NSW & QLD govs have projected an increased need for doctors in 5yrs time, and the schools made use of the seats normally allocated to int'l students?

Btw Curtin's intake hasn't dropped, it has been programmed to increase by 10 per year from 60 in 2017 to 110 this year. The drop I mentioned above was attrition from 60 Y1s in 2017 to 53 Y5s in 2021.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Not counting Bond's 2020 Sept intake for comparison (since there isn't one this year?) 2020 Y1s= 3350, 2021 Y1s= 3500, a net increase of 150 CSP places.

Mostly attributed to USyd +80, JCU +40, CSU +43, JMP +14 (offset by UMelb -20). Looks like the NSW & QLD govs have projected an increased need for doctors in 5yrs time, and the schools made use of the seats normally allocated to int'l students?

Btw Curtin's intake hasn't dropped, it has been programmed to increase by 10 per year from 60 in 2017 to 110 this year. The drop I mentioned above was attrition from 60 Y1s in 2017 to 53 Y5s in 2021.

I think it was mentioned in the Bond thread that there was an additional intake/it got approval? I remember reading that but then nothing further though… I might have to go digging.

ETA: Bond - Bond Medicine: General Discussion This is a current Bond student who received an email confirming the approval of the Sept intake. We didn’t have any reports of people here at MSO receiving offers (though if the numbers were small, that’s not surprising). Perhaps zoingoboingo can confirm whether it went ahead?

 

[SLP]

For JMP, UNSW and JPM it 100% is I'm not sure about other universities but I believe the majority you had tom apply by 30 of sep.... For any of those universities it is too late they won't consider applications at all past that point. Im really sorry I don't know what I'd do at all if I was in your position I can understand this might be super tough to digest

So just to confirm,

UNSW has the Medicine Application Form (with the 6 questions) + personal details + preference for campus allocation

JMP has an application just with personal details and campus preference

For JPM, you just have to apply through the UAC portal (if from NSW; if from another state, then their respective portal) and select a preference for either CSU or WSU

 

[DrDrLMG!]

So just to confirm,

UNSW has the Medicine Application Form (with the 6 questions) + personal details + preference for campus allocation

JMP has an application just with personal details and campus preference

For JPM, you just have to apply through the UAC portal (if from NSW; if from another state, then their respective portal) and select a preference for either CSU or WSU

Regardless of the state you’re from, you apply to JPM through UAC unless there has been a significant change that I’m unaware of.

 

[Scrivo_72]

Regardless of the state you’re from, you apply to JPM through UAC unless there has been a significant change that I’m unaware of.

nah you are right, regardless of the state you apply through UAC

 

[SLP]

Regardless of the state you’re from, you apply to JPM through UAC unless there has been a significant change that I’m unaware of.

Oh wait no, my bad. I confused it for something else. That's the only way to go about it, I don't know why I got it mixed up

 

[MyHeadee]

Which Uni's are are most likely candidates for offering top ups in the rounds following 26th of Jan?
As far as I've read here on MSO, UNSW is renowned for rarely giving top ups, but thats mainly because heaps of people want UNSW, not sure about the others though.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Which Uni's are are most likely candidates for offering top ups in the rounds following 26th of Jan?
As far as I've read here on MSO, UNSW is renowned for rarely giving top ups, but thats mainly because heaps of people want UNSW, not sure about the others though.

UAdelaide is historically the most common for this (they can have up to four 'rounds' due to historically large decline rates). If you have a look at the offers reported here for the last year (and maybe the last two years), I tried to record whether offers were first or second round (or subsequent), so that should give you a clearer idea.

 

[MyHeadee]

UAdelaide is historically the most common for this (they can have up to four 'rounds' due to historically large decline rates). If you have a look at the offers reported here for the last year (and maybe the last two years), I tried to record whether offers were first or second round (or subsequent), so that should give you a clearer idea.

How about WSU/CSU, JMP and Monash, or are they similar to UNSW?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

How about WSU/CSU, JMP and Monash, or are they similar to UNSW?

Have a look in the threads I mentioned.

 

[A1]

As far as I've read here on MSO, UNSW is renowned for rarely giving top ups, but thats mainly because heaps of people want UNSW, not sure about the others though.

There are different "top-up" types.
Adelaide/WSU/JCU/UQ/Griffith/Flinders etc have only one main round of offers. Unless they over-offer (JCU often does) the declines go into 2nd round offers which are top-ups in a way. Any further declines from 2nd round become ad-hoc top-ups ie. not in a formal offer round like Adelaide.

Otoh UNSW/JMP/Monash have two main offer rounds - one for local, one for interstate + the marginal locals. The 2nd one includes (behind the scene) all the declines from 1st so we don't hear much about them. Declines from these 2nd round offers are few.

 

[Ezra1]

Hey there,

I'm passionate about studying medicine but after pursuing a couple pathways last year I was hoping to get some advice on how to proceed

Background Info
Studied BSc/BBus at UTS from 2016-2019
UTS GPA = 5.31
GEMSAS unweighted GPA = 6.1
GEMSAS weighted GPA = 6.28
(Gemsas is higher because it comprises my last 3 years of study rather than my poorer first year)

Sat GAMSAT in March 2021 and got 58 (71, 52, 55) = ~50th percentile
Sat UCAT in September 2021 and got 2830 (720, 770, 690, 650) = 82nd percentile
Didn't receive any interview offers for either application

After reading the common pitfalls thread the it would appear my best chance is to re-sit gamsat to try and improve despite achieving better results in the ucat - is this correct?

I know there is the option of doing further study to improve my gpa but I'm not that keen on that

Any other ideas or feedback would be greatly appreciated

 

[Crow]

I know there is the option of doing further study to improve my gpa but I'm not that keen on that

This would really be what maximises your chances as with your current GPA you are out of the running for most graduate entry schools.

Without a rural background you are really left to either 1. Achieving highly in UCAT and hoping for JMP, WSU or Curtin (or Bond if you have money) or 2. Aiming for USYD or UQ if you manage a huge improvement in GAMSAT.

Continue to sit both exams and apply through both pathways to give yourself the best chance.

 

[_yayayaya_]

Ordering of preferences for the main round have now closed on UAC, there is no way to change your order until after the main round offers. If you are hoping for an offer from WSU you will be able to change the order of your preferences after this main round and hope for an offer. However, there are no published dates for any other offer rounds and how WSU chooses to hand these out is up to their discretion.

Also, if you have UNSW as your #1 preference and are offered a place and reject your offer from UNSW, you will not be offered another place from UNSW in any subsequent rounds. See this response from LMG!

The UAC website says the next offer round after the 26th is on the 3rd of feb??

 

[Nonstandard983]

The UAC website says the next offer round after the 26th is on the 3rd of feb?? View attachment 5109

That is correct yes as January 26th is actually 2nd round January offers

 

[_yayayaya_]

That is correct yes as January 26th is actually 2nd round January offers

yeah but this part of the quote isn't making sense then "However, there are no published dates for any other offer rounds and how WSU chooses to hand these out is up to their discretion." Isn't UAC releasing offers for the the next offer round on feb 3rd?

 

[moonlight15]

The UAC website says the next offer round after the 26th is on the 3rd of feb?? View attachment 5109

Oh hey, I meant from the WSU med page itself! WSU has only advertised the 26th on their MD applicants page. I’m sure if they participate in other offer rounds to come that they will edit their website to reflect this. I think Covid has just thrown everything off a bit

 

[_yayayaya_]

Oh hey, I meant from the WSU med page itself! So, when I said that I meant from WSU’s end since they’ve only advertised the 26th. I’m sure there will be other offer rounds to come though and they will edit their website to reflect this.

ohh okay right, that makes sense

 

[moonlight15]

ohh okay right, that makes sense

I’m sure WSU will probably participate in another offer round but just when they decide to advertise it on their MD applicants page and how they choose to inform students (phone call/email) is all a bit up in the air. Wish we knew more !

 

[DrDrLMG!]

I’m sure WSU will probably participate in another offer round but just when they decide to advertise it on their MD applicants page and how they choose to inform students (phone call/email) is all a bit up in the air. Wish we knew more !

It's not unusual for unis to make direct phone calls to applicants once February rolls around, rather than participating in formal UAC rounds. This is because of the controlled numbers and limited time frames for finalising a Med/Dent cohort. JMP in particular are well known for this, but other unis too.

ETA: The phone calls are typically along the lines of "have you already secured a Med offer that you intend to accept?" If not, "would you accept a JMP offer?" If yes, the formal offer is made via UAC. This is so they can effectively 'skip over' people who already have home state (usually) offers lined up and will just reject a JMP offer if they were to get one. It speeds the process up. (*JMP used as an example, but this does apply to other unis, too).